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Solved Fixing the Build Mod Ships

Hylie Pistoff said:
There is a mismatch associated with mast 2 or the foremast that will have to be fixed some day, but other than that everything fits fairly well.
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What's that all about? I couldn't quite tell from the screenshots.
 
No, those screenies couldn't show it. I don't know the name of those lines, but I'm sure Post Captain will tell me. Anyway, the lines run from the top of the mast back and down to the channels. They barely fit on the two rear sets of channels but the front channel needs to be extended back to the 4th cannon. It's not a priority but should be done some day.
 
Oh well, at least it's not very noticeable for the time being. :shrug
 
the french SOTL spanker works too :onya do you think you could get to any smaller ships like these next? they are a lot more common for the average player than 1st and second rates

-Unite class frigate (aka suprise1- improved version of razee frigate model but with 32 rather than 42 guns)
-the Hannah, both pirate and non pirate versions
USS Enterprise 1799-schooner so more noticable than square rigged ships.
Bermuda sloop(visible in the background of the pic you just posted)
HMS Bounty (Trade Brig) actually a ship, so not sure why its called a brig here :shrug
 
Yes I can. I was planning on doing the Superbe next, but can get to the smaller ships just as well. :nerbz

The FR_SotL is about done. All that is left is whatever goes to those boomkins. This one ended up being more than anticipated. While I was waiting I decided to get the other three SotL ready and quickly found out that they are beyond me. There are just too many changes to the hull, so it will be handed off so someone else can do the others. :wp
 
oh well didnt you already do the superbe? the rig should be the same for all nationalities, so if I just copied the files you gave me for the FR_superbe int the right place for the englsih version, and renamed them if neccessary, the same fix would be applied?
 
Alright... Now that I'm capable of thinking I'll try to explain this as quickly as possible...

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If you look at the diagram, you'll see a line labelled "tack" a course has two lines leading down from each lower corner- the tack and the sheet. The tack is led forward, the sheet is led aft. The port tack on the fores'l should be led to the end of port boomkin, and the starboard tack on the fores'l should be led to the end of starboard boomkin. You can kind of see a tack hanging limp (since the wind is coming from directly aft) on my full rigged ship diagram in storm engine modeling, parts of the ship if you look closely.

I also saw the mismatched lines mentioned a few posts back. I think you were referring to the lanyards. They run between the deadeyes that attach to the channels and shrouds and backstays. If you look in my parts of the ship thread at one of the spanker pictures you'll be able to catch a glimpse of them. Each one should have a shroud or backstay attached to it, which is another error in the model.
 
No, I never gotaroundto doing the Superbe. :eek:ops2 These complete rebuilds take time. The spanker is the least of it. Anyway, the textures for the RN_Superbe are different from the FR_Superbe. Here is one with the RN textures.

I've always liked the Bounty, so will see about that one next.


Thanks, this will get the FR_SotL done tonight. :onya
 
ohh, you thought I meant modelling updates? I was just thinking of spanker fixes, sorry for the confusion there :huh I didnt think many of those ships I listed could be improved upon other than having their spankers fixed
 
LOL! :)) I wasn't planning on doing a rebuild of the 1st rates. It just sorta happened. With these 2nd rates I was just planning on stringing some lines to pretty them up a bit and fix the spankers on all of them and then move on.

I haven't sailed the Superbe in almost a year and don't know how good she is. If her mainsails are attached to the keel like the other new ships I'll try to do something about that too. :nk If all they need is spankers and flag/pennants that is all they will get.

Armada: The FR_SotL is on the FTP in my "after beta 2" folder. This one is done except for one little detail. The other three have not been touched. I have no ideer how to upgrade them to the level of the French one. :urgh

Post Captain: Thank you for the information, but the sails in POTC don't work like that, so those lines will remain invisible. :boom
 
Hylie Pistoff said:
LOL! :)) I wasn't planning on doing a rebuild of the 1st rates. It just sorta happened. With these 2nd rates I was just planning on stringing some lines to pretty them up a bit and fix the spankers on all of them and then move on.

I haven't sailed the Superbe in almost a year and don't know how good she is. If her mainsails are attached to the keel like the other new ships I'll try to do something about that too. :nk If all they need is spankers and flag/pennants that is all they will get.

Armada: The FR_SotL is on the FTP in my "after beta 2" folder. This one is done except for one little detail. The other three have not been touched. I have no ideer how to upgrade them to the level of the French one. :urgh

Post Captain: Thank you for the information, but the sails in POTC don't work like that, so those lines will remain invisible. :boom
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haha oh ok then xD: hmm as for flags and pennants just about every warship flew an ensign on the spanker or flagstaff, and a long pennant from the mainmast. additional flags were sometimes flown form the fore or mainmast, but mostly were to signify that ship was the flagship, and would be the admirals or commodores personal flag. sometimes additional ensigns were flown on the mizzen and fore for bravado in battle, but that was nowhere near as common as it is in game, the current standard is pennants on the fore and mizzen, and a flag on the main, right? If you can, I think it would be a nice touch to change this to the pennant on the main and ensign on the spanker on the ships that you make adjustments to, but if it's too much of a hassle thats alright too :)
 
The main reason for messing with the flags/pennants is to try to reduce the Graphic Anomalies that have been plaguing build 14. :facepalm

We were putting a flag on the main mast and pennants elsewhere. Recently we have started putting pennants on the main mast for warships and flags on the main mast for merchant ships.

So overall, right now there is a big mish mash with some ships having correct flags and some being wrong. :eek:ops2
 
Hylie Pistoff said:
The main reason for messing with the flags/pennants is to try to reduce the Graphic Anomalies that have been plaguing build 14. :facepalm

We were putting a flag on the main mast and pennants elsewhere. Recently we have started putting pennants on the main mast for warships and flags on the main mast for merchant ships.

So overall, right now there is a big mish mash with some ships having correct flags and some being wrong. :eek:ops2
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As far as I know, merchants with trapezoidal spankers also flew their ensigns from the flag halliard at the end of the boom and gaff of the sail as well, just without a pennant. It also wasn't too uncommon to fly a flagstaff at the stern in port and remove it after getting under way, as they could interfere with the spanker boom.

(ditto for above post)
 
makes sense that they would remove it, though i'm not sure why one would go to all that trouble every time you make port :? I think all the ships that have flagstaffs ingame have lateen sails rather than spankers? I might be wrong, but most of them are certainly older style ships
 
Of course that would only apply to vessels with trapezoidal spankers. I'm not sure what vessels with lateen mizzens did, but I have a book which might say something on the topic. Right now, though, I'd guess that European vessels rigged in that manner used flagstaffs, although I've seen some engravings of xebecs and polacres flying flags from the tip of their gaffs.
The flag staff isn't actually too much trouble. I've had to move one on Pilgrim several times and it was a fairly quick and painless process.

Edit: looking it up now.

Lateen rigged ships of the line seemed to use flag staffs rigged as far aft as possible. Ensigns were also hoisted by a halliard run from the highest point of the gaff directly to a point on the deck for signaling purposes only. I may give a little more relevant information next time I get the chance.
 
My wife's sister had a bit of a medical problem and I just got back. All I remember is that the Bounty was about done.
 
I'm sorry to hear that mate, hopefully she is doing better now! ah yes, I think you were working on the bounty, and hadn't decided yet which ship to work on next, at least as far as I know
 
The HMS_Bounty and Edinburgh Trader are on the FTP in my "after beta 2" folder. I repaired the spanker and added some lines to it, reshaped some sails, and adjusted the pennants.
 
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