Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

[Old Salt]

Just trying to throw things against the wall to see if anything sticks. This is frustrating. We may have to approach this from a different angle. Maybe the villagers aren't in the village at all, but at the port. Not in chains. Just there and Jack meets Tia there. But then that takes away the whole "land ho" scene. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />

We need the "land ho" scene. So that means that the villagers have to be in their village. If Jack knows about the village ahead of time then he won't take Mercer there so that is out. Jack has to be in the dark and establish a connection with the villagers when he arrives.

We know that Beckett wants Tia so the village must be a destination for the Wench. There probably is no getting around that. Can we have Mercer order Jack to the village as they are on their way to the Ivory Coast? Could that work? Again, just trying to throw out potential ideas. It would add another scene and Jack would protest, but maybe not at gunpoint. But then again that would negate the Land Ho scene or his George Washington moment.

This is frustrating. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="modding.gif" /> Let's keep thinking on it. There has to be a way to make this work.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Completely different option: The villagers are in port already in chains. This gives the appearance of an ordinary slave transport. The "land ho" scene was already rewritten into "destination ho"; it'll only take minor effort to change it into "port ho". Jack can talk to Tia in the cargo hold. The George Washington moment might be moved to when they're after the treasure the French pirate mentioned. Though I must say I don't really like this idea very much; it makes things really quite dark. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />

I think it's best when Jack doesn't already know Tia and the villagers. Upon Jack's arrival, they would have a bit of a talk and Tia suggests Jack reprovision his ship there. Jack does this, the reprovisioning takes several days, which allows Jack to get to know the people. Jack then leaves to the port where he's supposed to pick up the return cargo and Mercer stays behind to further arrange the trading to be established with the village. Jack and Edwards sail to port and are met with the villagers in chains on the dock. Mercer doesn't want Jack to try and interrupt his actions with the villagers, so he waits until Jack leaves. He allows Jack to reprovision his ship at the village beforehand because that's cheaper for the company. Does this make some sense? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

 

[DAS123]

Maybe beckett will reward him well should he complete it correctly, and he will be able to keep his ship, AND Beckett could say he will...overlook Jacks...other endevours. I think Jack should be surprised that Beckett knows that he has been doing missions on the side. Thats my opinion at least. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Beckett REWARD Jack for just moving some passengers and cargo? I can't really see that happening. Jack would be fortunate to keep his ship and commission if he does do everything as Beckett wanted. As I suggested earlier, I think Beckett put Jack on this mission for the specific purpose of getting rid of him, while getting the Wench and somebody who can handle her (Edwards) after all. Otherwise there's no use for putting Jack on the mission and he might as well have given the mission to Edwards with his own ship. Jack's a loose cannon and Beckett knows it; the reason he puts Jack on this mission is because he has Mercer, Edwards and a bunch of EITC soldiers on the mission as well. Therefore he can keep Jack in check until his return, after which he probably intends to double-cross Jack and take his ship for the EITC with Edwards as captain. Why assign Jack to such an important mission? Because he needs Mercer and the EITC soldiers on this mission anyway, so he might as well join both his goals (getting Tia and the Wench) in the same mission so that he only has to send Mercer and the EITC soldiers on one mission instead of two. Plus it gives Jack a sense of being trusted, which hopefully makes him less suspicious of Beckett's true intentions.

 

[Old Salt]

<!--quoteo(post=250080:date=Apr 11 2008, 11:20 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 11 2008, 11:20 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250080"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think it's best when Jack doesn't already know Tia and the villagers. Upon Jack's arrival, they would have a bit of a talk and Tia suggests Jack reprovision his ship there. Jack does this, the reprovisioning takes several days, which allows Jack to get to know the people. Jack then leaves to the port where he's supposed to pick up the return cargo and Mercer stays behind to further arrange the trading to be established with the village. Jack and Edwards sail to port and are met with the villagers in chains on the dock. Mercer doesn't want Jack to try and interrupt his actions with the villagers, so he waits until Jack leaves. He allows Jack to reprovision his ship at the village beforehand because that's cheaper for the company. Does this make some sense? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It does. This lengthens the scene but there doesn't seem to be a way around that if Jack doesn't know the villagers beforehand. This also gives us the added benefit of removing his suspicions and thus a major obstacle to going to the village in the first place. And Mercer, of course, would jump at the opportunity to resupply for less cost.
The only problem with this scenario is why is Jack necessary here? Unless he's the only one who knows where the village is. But then we run into the same problem all over again if he knows. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
But of course, we could always think up a use for Jack.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Perhaps Beckett gave the map to Jack and not to Mercer, since Jack's the person with the navigational skills and Mercer has no sense of direction? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whippa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="whippa.gif" />

 

[DAS123]

<!--quoteo(post=250082:date=Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250082"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Beckett REWARD Jack for just moving some passengers and cargo? I can't really see that happening. Jack would be fortunate to keep his ship and commission if he does do everything as Beckett wanted. As I suggested earlier, I think Beckett put Jack on this mission for the specific purpose of getting rid of him, while getting the Wench and somebody who can handle her (Edwards) after all. Otherwise there's no use for putting Jack on the mission and he might as well have given the mission to Edwards with his own ship. Jack's a loose cannon and Beckett knows it; the reason he puts Jack on this mission is because he has Mercer, Edwards and a bunch of EITC soldiers on the mission as well. Therefore he can keep Jack in check until his return, after which he probably intends to double-cross Jack and take his ship for the EITC with Edwards as captain. Why assign Jack to such an important mission? Because he needs Mercer and the EITC soldiers on this mission anyway, so he might as well join both his goals (getting Tia and the Wench) in the same mission so that he only has to send Mercer and the EITC soldiers on one mission instead of two. Plus it gives Jack a sense of being trusted, which hopefully makes him less suspicious of Beckett's true intentions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NONO!! Beckett WILL double cross him, he just adds all of this to sweeten the deal. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

 

[Old Salt]

<!--quoteo(post=250107:date=Apr 11 2008, 02:51 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 11 2008, 02:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250107"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps Beckett gave the map to Jack and not to Mercer, since Jack's the person with the navigational skills and Mercer has no sense of direction? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whippa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="whippa.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess that could work. Beckett gives Jack the map (while briefing him on the dock) and tells him that it is imperative that he finds this village since he needs to send Mercer there on company business. Of course, the business is to grab Tia and the villagers and hopefully get rid of Jack so Edwards can take over the Wench.

Now, do we need a scene where Beckett is informing Mercer of his intentions with the villagers and Tia Dalma? Perhaps have the movie open with just their voices and Beckett laying out his instructions while the opening credits roll?

And do we go with Jack leaving the village to pick up cargo from the nearby port and coming back to find the natives and Tia in chains, or do we go with Jack talking with Tia in her hut while Mercer begins rounding up the villagers? Both have shock value, but with the second scenario we could then have Jack use the line, "What about the cargo?" and Mercer responding, "<i><u>They</u></i> are the cargo. Now do your job!"

 

[Pieter Boelen]

I wouldn't explain Beckett's real intentions <i>at all</i>. Especially not right at the beginning of the film. We want the audience to wonder with Jack: Can Beckett be trusted? Also we have to take into account people who might watch out film as the first PotC film who do not yet know Beckett is a bad guy. It's got to be a surprise. We could have Jack finding out Beckett's true intentions later; perhaps when he captures Mercer when he turns to piracy.

Why would Jack go to port only to return to the village later? I'd suggest Jack just going from the village to the port to pick up his return cargo. Perhaps we could even move that "what about the cargo?" line to the port. Mercer comes walking up the dock and Jack asks "What about that return cargo?", Mercer says "They are the cargo" and we see the villagers in chains walking up the dock. Or something like that.

 

[Old Salt]

<!--quoteo(post=250194:date=Apr 12 2008, 05:00 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 12 2008, 05:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250194"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wouldn't explain Beckett's real intentions <i>at all</i>. Especially not right at the beginning of the film. We want the audience to wonder with Jack: Can Beckett be trusted? Also we have to take into account people who might watch out film as the first PotC film who do not yet know Beckett is a bad guy. It's got to be a surprise. We could have Jack finding out Beckett's true intentions later; perhaps when he captures Mercer when he turns to piracy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it isn't known that Tia Dalma is Beckett's true target at the village? That comes out later? I can't see Mercer surrendering any information but maybe someone else will, perhaps one of the marines whom Mercer specifically told to grab Tia during the raid. That can be worked out and I agree it would add to the shock value later.

<!--quoteo(post=250194:date=Apr 12 2008, 05:00 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 12 2008, 05:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250194"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why would Jack go to port only to return to the village later? I'd suggest Jack just going from the village to the port to pick up his return cargo. Perhaps we could even move that "what about the cargo?" line to the port. Mercer comes walking up the dock and Jack asks "What about that return cargo?", Mercer says "They are the cargo" and we see the villagers in chains walking up the dock. Or something like that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, so then Mercer moves the slaves to the port after Jack leaves the village via a land route?

 

[Pieter Boelen]

<!--quoteo(post=250202:date=Apr 12 2008, 01:57 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Apr 12 2008, 01:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250202"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So it isn't known that Tia Dalma is Beckett's true target at the village? That comes out later? I can't see Mercer surrendering any information but maybe someone else will, perhaps one of the marines whom Mercer specifically told to grab Tia during the raid. That can be worked out and I agree it would add to the shock value later.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think the whole point of rounding up the ENTIRE village is so that Mercer doesn't need to tell his soldiers that it's really about Tia either. If everyone's captured, so is Tia, and Mercer doesn't need to give out any information at all. So Jack will find out later; perhaps when he mutinies and captures Mercer, perhaps when he sets the villagers free or perhaps even waaay later in Indonesia. Depends on what we want. Personally I'd like to give revelations as late as possible. Once Jack knows about Beckett's real intent, he'll know that his turn to piracy WAS the right choice AND he'll probably consider that, since Tia was important, the compass she gave him probaby isn't any old broken compass either. I think it would be best if Jack would doubt whether his choice to turn to piracy was the right one for as long as possible. Also we don't want him finding out about that compass' power too soon either.

<!--quoteo(post=250202:date=Apr 12 2008, 01:57 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Apr 12 2008, 01:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250202"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay, so then Mercer moves the slaves to the port after Jack leaves the village via a land route?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's what I though, yes. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

 

[Old Salt]

Okay, so the basic outline with our changes so far:

1 - Beginning of the film - Beckett hands Jack a map in his briefing scene on the dock telling him that Mercer must be taken there as quickly as possible. He is to drop Mercer at the village and proceed to the nearby port to pick up cargo.

2 - Wicked Wench sails down the coast of Africa, spots turtle rock. "Land ho" scene.

3 - Jack, Edwards and Mercer come ashore with a compliment of marines.

4 - "Jack's George Washington moment." This could happen here or be moved to a later scene with the French pirate.

5 - Jack meets Tia and village elders. She offers to have Wench resupply at the village, that gives Jack a chance to bond with Tia and the natives as the resupplying will take several days. Mercer agrees as it will be much cheaper.

6 - Mercer rounds up natives after Jack leaves. Whole point of mission was to grab Tia.

7 - Mercer and marines walk the natives to the nearby port for the Wench to pick up. Jack arrives at the port and is shocked to see natives in shackles. He asks Mercer what cargo they are to pick up and Mercer states the natives are the cargo. Jack is extremely troubled.

8 - Jack/Edwards freedom speech on the Wench.

9 - Wicked Wench has a battle with a French pirate after leaving Africa. Jack defeats them and gives Edwards command (with a compliment of EITC marines) of the French ship.

10 - French pirate captain relates some seedy disclosures about Beckett and Mercer (possibly Jack is able to connect up
these sordid revelations with the current mission) and this swings Jack fully into a life of piracy.

11 - Jack winds up freeing the French pirate and his crew and overtaking Mercer and the EITC marines left on the Wench.

12 - Edwards comes in on Jack making his flag and they wind up parting ways.

13 - Jack frees Tia and natives, she gives him the compass.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

That sounds pretty good. Some slight comments though:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->8 - Jack/Edwards freedom speech on the Wench.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think this should be before 7 when Jack and Edwards have some time alone. In any case there should be SOME conversation between Jack and Edwards when they're Mercer-less.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->10 - French pirate captain relates some seedy disclosures about Beckett and Mercer (possibly Jack is able to connect up
these sordid revelations with the current mission) and this swings Jack fully into a life of piracy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The French pirate offers Jack a profitable option: To go and search for the Aztec treasure together. I think that's what convinces Jack to go pirating: he was considering it anyway and now it could give him a monetary benefit. This again makes Jack's actions somewhat ambiguous: did he do it because of a sense of honor or simply because it was profitable? The French pirate could also say some things about Beckett, but I don't really think that's necessary. By this time Jack pretty much knows Beckett is evil. He just doesn't know that Beckett intended to double-cross him nor the importance of Tia Dalma. But I don't think the French pirate would have any knowledge about that either. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->12 - Edwards comes in on Jack making his flag and they wind up parting ways.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Do they part ways on friendly terms with Edwards keeping the French pirate's ship and taking Mercer and the EITC marines back to England? I don't think that'd work, because Mercer would surely get Edwards to chase after Jack right after or simply re-capture Tia Dalma. I thought Jack would also have Edwards captured and then put Mercer, Edwards and the EITC soldiers ashore somewhere with no ship. Perhaps in Nassau; perhaps elsewhere.

 

[DAS123]

Yes, i always thought that they would round up ALL of the slaves, but Beckett just needed one, Tia. That has always been in my mind. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I like how we are introducing the french pirate earlier, it might shave a couple of minutes of screentime off of the movie.

Also everyone remember that Mercer has to besiege Batavia, though the outcome among us is disputed. And the big battle, we have to have that as well. Just keep this in mind. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Also Pieter, i know we want the audience to wonder if Beckett is trustworthy. He should do what he does in AWE, he offers Jack all that he asks for, and says its good business, we should do that here. So everyone thinks, hey what a nice guy. Then as we progress into the movie we find out how evil Beckett is along with Mercer and the EITC.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

<!--quoteo(post=250255:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250255"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, i always thought that they would round up ALL of the slaves, but Beckett just needed one, Tia. That has always been in my mind. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->There was some question about that previously; originally we also considering it being an ordinary slave transport. But after thinking about it for a while, that wouldn't really make much sense. There's no need for Mercer on an ordinary slave transport and there's no point in sending an untrustworthy captain (Jack) to do it either. Makes much more sense if the whole thing's really about Tia. Then we do wonder how come Beckett knows about Tia. We could of course opt not to explain this. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=250255:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250255"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I like how we are introducing the french pirate earlier, it might shave a couple of minutes of screentime off of the movie.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->What do you mean? We always intended to introduce him at this point in the story, didn't we? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=250255:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250255"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also everyone remember that Mercer has to besiege Batavia, though the outcome among us is disputed. And the big battle, we have to have that as well. Just keep this in mind. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yep; we still need to have that, as well as the hunt for the Aztec treasure. But that's all later in the film. As for the battle: I think the EITC should lose, because it should be a victory for Jack and a major setback for Beckett, which it isn't if the EITC wins. I think we should try to work our story around what actually did happen there as can be found on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta#History" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a>:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Through the relationship with Prince Jayawikarta from the Sultanate of Banten, Dutch ships arrived in Jayakarta in 1596. In 1602, the British East India Company's first voyage, commanded by Sir James Lancaster, arrived in Aceh and sailed on to Banten where they were allowed to build a trading post. This site became the center of British trade in Indonesia until 1682.

Apparently, Jayawikarta also made a trading connection with the English merchants, rivals of the Dutch, by allowing them to build houses directly across from the Dutch buildings in 1615. When relations between Prince Jayawikarta and the Dutch later deteriorated, Jayawikarta's soldiers attacked the Dutch fortress. But even with the help of fifteen British ships, Prince Jayakarta's army wasn't able to defeat the Dutch, in part owing to the timely arrival of Jan Pieterszoon Coen (J.P. Coen). The Dutch burned the English fort, and forced the English retreat on their ships. With this victory, Dutch power in the area was consolidated. In 1619 they renamed the city "Batavia."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->This sounds pretty much like what I have in mind for the story and also has some actual base in history, lending more credibility to the film. The years are slightly off, but I think we can just ignore that. We're not making a <i>real</i> historic film. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=250255:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250255"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also Pieter, i know we want the audience to wonder if Beckett is trustworthy. He should do what he does in AWE, he offers Jack all that he asks for, and says its good business, we should do that here. So everyone thinks, hey what a nice guy. Then as we progress into the movie we find out how evil Beckett is along with Mercer and the EITC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That sounds absolutely brilliant! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="me.gif" />

 

[DAS123]

Yay! Pieter likes that idea. Thats why i put down that Beckett will offer to overlook his...other business, reward him, AND allow him to keep his commission. That will make the audience think "What a nice guy,". Then he will double cross Jack. But for the people who HAVE seen DMC and AWE we have to make beckett change a little in this film so he is not to predictable.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

True. I suppose it depends how the scene plays out. Of course if Beckett is TOO nice, Jack and the audience will get suspicious. We'll need to figure out what sounds "nice" and what sounds "suspicious".

 

[Old Salt]

<!--quoteo(post=250253:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:58 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 13 2008, 04:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250253"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this should be before 7 when Jack and Edwards have some time alone. In any case there should be SOME conversation between Jack and Edwards when they're Mercer-less.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was thinking about that, Pieter, but wouldn't we want something to jolt Jack before he has his conversation with Edwards?
<!--quoteo(post=250253:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:58 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 13 2008, 04:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250253"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The French pirate offers Jack a profitable option: To go and search for the Aztec treasure together. I think that's what convinces Jack to go pirating: he was considering it anyway and now it could give him a monetary benefit. This again makes Jack's actions somewhat ambiguous: did he do it because of a sense of honor or simply because it was profitable? The French pirate could also say some things about Beckett, but I don't really think that's necessary. By this time Jack pretty much knows Beckett is evil. He just doesn't know that Beckett intended to double-cross him nor the importance of Tia Dalma. But I don't think the French pirate would have any knowledge about that either. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That could be the case too. Perhaps its more realistic that the French pirate tempts Jack with the Aztec treasure than knowing something about Beckett, although it may be possible he does know something about him. We could always work that out later, its not really important.
<!--quoteo(post=250253:date=Apr 13 2008, 04:58 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 13 2008, 04:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250253"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do they part ways on friendly terms with Edwards keeping the French pirate's ship and taking Mercer and the EITC marines back to England? I don't think that'd work, because Mercer would surely get Edwards to chase after Jack right after or simply re-capture Tia Dalma. I thought Jack would also have Edwards captured and then put Mercer, Edwards and the EITC soldiers ashore somewhere with no ship. Perhaps in Nassau; perhaps elsewhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree, but we didn't work that out yet. I could see Jack putting them ashore, because he certainly couldn't risk Edwards coming after him.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

<!--quoteo(post=250311:date=Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was thinking about that, Pieter, but wouldn't we want something to jolt Jack before he has his conversation with Edwards?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Good point. Nothing <i>really</i> bad happened yet at that point, so they do need to have <i>a</i> conversation, but not one concerning turning pirate just yet.

<!--quoteo(post=250311:date=Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That could be the case too. Perhaps its more realistic that the French pirate tempts Jack with the Aztec treasure than knowing something about Beckett, although it may be possible he does know something about him. We could always work that out later, its not really important.

I agree, but we didn't work that out yet. I could see Jack putting them ashore, because he certainly couldn't risk Edwards coming after him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Agreed and agreed.

 

[Old Salt]

<!--quoteo(post=250289:date=Apr 13 2008, 12:48 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 13 2008, 12:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250289"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Makes much more sense if the whole thing's really about Tia. Then we do wonder how come Beckett knows about Tia. We could of course opt not to explain this. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Also, for now anyway, I am leaning toward not explaining it. We could always come up with a reason later if the script absolutely calls for it.

<!--quoteo(post=250289:date=Apr 13 2008, 12:48 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 13 2008, 12:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250289"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This sounds pretty much like what I have in mind for the story and also has some actual base in history, lending more credibility to the film. The years are slightly off, but I think we can just ignore that. We're not making a <i>real</i> historic film. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree, a script such as this one should be historically correct, at least at the margins. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=250300:date=Apr 13 2008, 12:55 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mercer @ Apr 13 2008, 12:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250300"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yay! Pieter likes that idea. Thats why i put down that Beckett will offer to overlook his...other business, reward him, AND allow him to keep his commission. That will make the audience think "What a nice guy,". Then he will double cross Jack. But for the people who HAVE seen DMC and AWE we have to make beckett change a little in this film so he is not to predictable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Beckett should be politely treacherous. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=250326:date=Apr 13 2008, 03:00 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 13 2008, 03:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250326"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=250311:date=Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Salt @ Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=250311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was thinking about that, Pieter, but wouldn't we want something to jolt Jack before he has his conversation with Edwards?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Good point. Nothing <i>really</i> bad happened yet at that point, so they do need to have <i>a</i> conversation, but not one concerning turning pirate just yet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. At this point, Jack may just be thinking out loud and using Edwards as a sounding board.