<!--quoteo(post=249748:date=Apr 8 2008, 02:42 PM:name=Thomas the Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thomas the Terror @ Apr 8 2008, 02:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=249748"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree with the last one, I think they should encounter the french pirate ship with mercer and edwards still in there position. When they board the marines are divided over the ships then. Jack encounters the captain, and duels with him. Jack wins in Jack style and lets the captain live. The captain does the proposal and Jack thinks this is my chance. On that moment he turns pirate and capture Mercer and Edwards.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, so we are going to have them have a run-in with the French pirate after they leave the Ivory Coast with the slaves on board? I wasn't sure exactly when this encounter was going to take place.
<!--quoteo(post=249738:date=Apr 8 2008, 02:50 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 8 2008, 02:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=249738"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree. Though I wouldn't have Jack return to the village. Instead I would have Jack sail to port and wait there for his next cargo, which turns out to be the villagers. Or perhaps the villagers are already waiting there; perhaps the journey is quicker by land. Though that isn't really very likely.
I think here are the pro's to directly capturing the villagers the first time:
- We get an action scene early on
- The story moves quicker
Then here the pro's for staying longer at the village, then collecting the villagers from port:
- Jack and the audience gets some emotional bond with the villagers
- Edwards and Jack get some time alone
I suppose we'll need to choose whether we prefer the movie's story to play out quicker or develop the characters' relationships more.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think I'd go with the second choice on this one. We'd want that connection established between the villagers and the audience.
<!--quoteo(post=249738:date=Apr 8 2008, 02:50 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 8 2008, 02:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=249738"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->While we're at it, I came up with Beckett's possible intentions. He wants Tia Dalma, but doesn't want anyone to know she's important. Therefore he has Mercer collect all the people of her village as slaves. This makes the capture of Tia Dalma quite inconspicuous. Also he has a captain who is always late on shipments, but who also personally owns the fastest ship he knows. He does want to lose the captain, but doesn't want to lose the ship. But he also knows that only Jack knows how to coax the speed out of her. So he gives Jack a "second chance" by having him transport Mercer and the EITC marines to Tia Dalma's village and he puts Edwards onboard so that he can find out how Jack runs his ship so fast. Since Mercer and the EITC marines are aboard, Jack will not dare to do anything against it. If Jack doesn't do what he wants, Mercer and the EITC soldiers will kill him. If Jack does do what he wants, he'll replace Jack with Edwards as captain upon arrival anyway. So Beckett manages three things at once: He gets the Wench, gets rid of Jack AND gets Tia Dalma. Does that make sense?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it does. That can be Beckett's reasoning of course, and we can have that leak out at a later time. This is good for background right now for our benefit. Pieter, perhaps you should link this on the first page.
<!--quoteo(post=249749:date=Apr 8 2008, 03:50 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 8 2008, 03:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=249749"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I had another idea a while ago: Jack names Edwards captain of the ship of the French pirate and has half the EITC soldiers placed on that ship. Then Jack frees the French pirate and his crew and takes on the EITC marines and Mercer. This happens at night, so that Edwards on the other ship doesn't know. Then the following day Jack signals Edwards to come, which is when Edwards catches Jack making his pirate flag. Edwards says that he cannot follow Jack where he's going and Edwards is captured as well. I think that would be the safest way of Jack to get rid of the EITC soldiers and Mercer and Edwards. Safer than doing it during the battle with the French pirate. Also it gives Edwards a chance to join Jack, which he then refuses. Also this enables Jack and Edwards to work very well together during the fight with the French pirate and by the end, both fully appreciated the other. Then next thing we know, Jack turns pirate, Edwards doesn't follow and just when the two had become real good friends, they're on different sides and are therefore now enemies. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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That's very good, Pieter. This has Jack with a definitive sense of purpose, he has made his decision. Is this after he has a talk with the French pirate while he's locked up? And this suggests events are moving rapidly as they decide to overthrow Mercer and the marines the night after the battle, or is this several days later?
<!--quoteo(post=249749:date=Apr 8 2008, 03:50 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pieter Boelen @ Apr 8 2008, 03:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=249749"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Question: What reason can we think up for keeping Jack in the village longer so that he can establish and emotional band with those people? We do need to keep him there for a while if we go with my alternate options, but we do need a reason for him to be there longer. Reprovisioning won't do; he can do that later in port. Unless perhaps it's cheaper doing it with the help of the village people.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if we have Jack staying in the village for a period of time before going on to the next port and presumably picking up his cargo (which turn out to be the villagers) then we have to get around the problem of how these villagers are being rounded up without Jack's knowledge since we would like it to be a surprise to him when he sees them later on in chains.
He can't be talking to Tia Dalma since she would also be scooped up so indeed, what could he be doing? We would like him to be bonding with these people but there certainly is not enough time for that. We can have Jack meeting these people then going off into the jungle maybe to be shown something else before going back to the Wench. But then that would mean he would just have a cursory encounter with the natives that wouldn't be very memorable.
If Jack instead has a long meeting with Tia or maybe some of the other natives, maybe is shown some symbol of their culture and then is maybe told by Tia about some valuable relic that is out in the jungle and he takes a quick detour out there before going back to the Wench and proceeding to the port. Maybe something along those lines.
Or perhaps he is just picking up some provisions that the natives have offered him for a cheaper price then he would get at the port, like you suggested. Maybe Tia arranges it, but then of course, if he's picking up provisions from the village, when then is Mercer rounding them up?
Bottom line, we need Jack to connect with the natives and also there be enough time for Mercer to gather them up without Jack's knowledge and have them at the next port, which could be close by the village and would be quicker to reach by land then it would take for Jack to get back to the Wench and sail her over there.
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