Pieter Boelen wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I had some thoughts on the PotC 4 script we're writing. Remember how Jack Sparrow was never THE main character of the films, just <i>one of</i> the main characters? However, in our story as it now, Jack is pretty much the only main character with all other characters being pretty much supporting characters. That is why I think we should consider shifting the focus of the film a bit and make the film as much about Nathaniel Edwards as it is about Jack. We might even go as far as showing the first half of the film mostly from Nathaniel's perspective and then, when Jack and Nathaniel go different ways after Jack turning pirate, we could then alternate between Jack's story (what we already made up) and Nathaniel's story (that we haven't yet figured out).
Originally my thoughts were to make a film that shows a bit more of Jack and explains a bit of what happened before CotBP, but now I think that it's better to have that on the <i>background</i> of a different, completely new storyline. That would make sure the film would be able to stand on its own much better. There will be one story that plays from beginning to end during the film and Jack's storyline that continues in the next films is part of the film, but it takes a bit more of a background role.
Of course this does mean that Nathaniel's story should have quite an interesting character development arc, since it must be able to carry at least the weight of half the film. So what should this story be about? At the start of the film, Nathaniel Edwards is a succesful Post-Captain in the East India Trading Company and he is quite cocky and thinks himself superior to the other people. I could imagine him coming from nobility as well. He is then assigned as <i>subordinate</i> on a mission with a captain who seems to be pretty clumsy, weird, incapable even. Most likely Nathaniel would not be impressed with Jack at all from the beginning.
But then the mission starts to play out and things are becoming nastier and nastier. First there is Mercer who seems to be playing the boss over the captain and the captain seems to submit pretty much to everything Mercer says and wants. To Edwards this captain appears to be quite a weak character. Then we get the scene that Mercer came up with where the pirates in the water are shot. Nathaniel isn't really happy with this, because he IS a good man. He then observes the ship's captain who obviously isn't enchanted with Mercer's actions either, though doesn't try to do anything about it. This is when Nathaniel begins to feel a bit more friendly to this captain, though he would've liked it if the captain would've shown some strength of character and would stand up to Mercer.
Next thing in line is the capture of those African villagers. Again Jack doesn't appear happy, but this time he actually starts protesting. Of course he doesn't stop it from happening, but Edwards is happy to see that the captain is showing more strength of character than before. Then they set sail for the Caribbean and Jack is being quite a bit more defiant to Mercer and Edwards pretty much likes that. After all, Edwards thinks the <i>captain</i> should be the big boss and not the EITC representative. I think we should move the night conversation scene to this part of the voyage instead to illustrate Edwards warming up to Jack.
Then we get the meeting with the French pirate and this is when Jack really comes into his own. Mercer tells Jack that he must kill all the pirates and Jack refuses point-blank and there's nothing Mercer can do about it. I think this would be the point when Edwards begins to really like Jack. But then Jack decides to turn pirate, which is a bit too much of a good thing as far as Edwards is concerned. Mercer is locked up, but Jack allows Edwards to remain free aboard the ship until he can drop him off at a port. Edwards tries to convince Jack to not turn pirate, but Jack says it's too late for that. Edwards is sorry about that; he had gotten to like Jack.
Jack drops Edwards and Mercer off at a friendly port and goes off to pursue his own piratey errands. Edwards and Mercer somehow go back to England. Beckett isn't particularly pleased with what happened, so he assigns Edwards to a frigate headed to Indonesia for an indefinite period. After Jack's turn to piracy, we see Edwards becoming more and more disenchanted with the way the EITC handles things. Then things are starting to go haywire in Indonesia as the Dutch and Brittish start to wage war on each other. It turns out its Jack messing up relations between the VOC and EITC. Edwards is forced to do something about it, even though he doesn't particularly want to. Edwards has Jack's ship burnt (instead of commandeered) and lets Jack go. Jack is pretty angry with Edwards, who, at this point in the story, seems to be pretty much the bad guy instead of the good guy. What Jack doesn't know is that Edwards burnt his ship out of friendship, with the idea that if Jack can't have her, at least the EITC won't be able to have her either. And he let Jack go.
Edwards does nothing to prevent Jack's escape from Indonesia on the Black Pearl or he might even somehow help Jack with it, without it being obvious to the other EITC people that he helped a pirate. Then Edwards decides to quit his job at the EITC in a fun scene where he tells Beckett to "shut the crap up" or something like that. The audience now sees that Edwards has made the same transformation that Jack had made before and that Edwards has now decided to stand up to authority as well as Jack before him. Edwards could then join the navy instead, where he might get to meet James Norrington just before the end of the film.
Edwards is no longer in the employ of the EITC, but is now a navy captain instead, enabeling us to use him as admiral in the AWE sequel. So in the AWE sequel we could have some conflict again between Jack and Edwards, because Jack thinks Edwards is the bad guy, but he really isn't. In the end they become friendly again and join forces, trying to return order to the world after Calypso's release.
We could also show Jack's handling of the crew, which would probably be more similar to the pirate democratical way than the ordinary navy/EITC way. At first Edwards would find this a sign of weakness, but he soon finds out the value of Jack treating the crew well, because the crew is VERY loyal to Jack which comes in handy when Jack decides to turn pirate. Mercer assumes that since it is an EITC crew and he is the most important EITC representative aboard, he will have the support of the crew. But Mercer doesn't treat the crew well, so when Jack orders Mercer to be locked up, the crew turns its back on Mercer.
After Edwards got a command of his own again (the frigate headed for Indonesia) we see Edwards treating his crew in a similar way as Jack did before. Edwards has learned the value of what Jack did and has gotten to appreciate that Jack <i>was</i> right about treating his crew different to how most captains would. To illustrate this point better, it would help to show a bit of Edwards as captain before his mission with Jack.
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Morgan Terror wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it sounds good to me, but why wouldn't he be in the following movies?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pieter Boelen wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because he isn't. Perhaps he's doing errands in Europe instead? Not everyone who joins the navy will be sent to the Caribbean. In any case: If he's still alive and kicking, it enables us to bring him back for the AWE sequel and tie things together a bit more. It's always fun to continue character development in further movies, right?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Morgan Terror wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->could be. but what role would he play? i don't think he should be the one that continues the hunt for the pirates as that would be a bit like repeating his role in the prequel.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pieter Boelen wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, in the AWE sequel he would be the GOOD guy. One of them anyway. We've had enough navy/EITC bad guys; let's reverse things for the AWE sequel. Edwards is admiral in the British navy and he helps get rid of Calypso. But then at the end of PotC 5 the pirates might be seen as the bad guys, which would be the best illustration possible of the end of the golden age of piracy. In any case: Plenty of options.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sounds great Pieter!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Yes, i would like to see the EITC as good guys, and I do think there are plenty of options to choose from in the AWE sequel. I think you have developed Edwards far more than me and so I am as <i>"content as a cucumber"</i> to go with your idea there. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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Pieter Boelen wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What about the thought of shifting the focus of the film more to Edwards as well to make him as much a main character as Jack? That'd need a bit of work and some additional thoughts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=329:date=Jan 20 2008, 08:05 AM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgan Terror @ Jan 20 2008, 08:05 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=329"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it sounds good to me, but why wouldn't he be in the following movies?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So we would not be killing him off? And he could show up in the sequel after AWE? I like it Pieter. Its certainly a different direction. And Edwards always did seem very undeveloped and more of a sacrificial lamb to just be served up for slaughter. He himself seemed a bit weak. This takes it in a whole new direction and gives us a lot more avenues to explore with the story. I agree with everyone else. Very good. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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Commodore John Paul Jones wrote:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here's an interesting idea:
Edwards doesn't take all too well to Jack at first because he sees him as a weak person. All that stuff that Pieter talked about? YES! Amazing stuff, keep it.
He joins the Royal Navy and is brough back for the AWE sequel as a good guy. However, because Norrington has been killed (the death of chivalry in my opinion), that leaves the spot for "top dog" up for grabs... a new character can be intorduced to play the British Admiral. This new character is merely to fill the role, so he isn't in dire need of development in regards to plot. Perhaps this admiral could be like Captain Sawyer from the Hornblower series?
Anyway, Edwards becomes distressed over this, as the Royal Navy is slowly turning into the same monster that the EIC played in the original trilogy. Edwards is a colonial, his family lives in the new world, so he is further pressed for action when things go sour and his family is mistreated and his reputation questioned. He finally switches sides and becomes a captain in the Continental Navy, which is formed in the latter half of the sequel. The battle agains evil was thought to be won, but it turns out that the EIC was merely a cruel appendage of the British Empire, which will be the root of darkness in the series.
In the end, Edwards admires Jack even more because while he appeared to be weak, he had an unwavering take on personal beliefs while Edwards' own constantly changed through the movies.
Pick this apart if you wish, I am merely throwing an idea on the table and taking a stab at getting the American Revolutionists into the sequel... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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