Pieter Boelen wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hmm; I don't remember hearing that and I DID listen to that audio commentary. Twice even, I think. Perhaps somebody should listen again. Of course you can't really compare people's swordfighting skills in a ranking system where the best swordsman (or -woman) will always win. There's a lot of chance and opportunity of the moment involved.
As for Mercer: I did quickly read through that post from Wikipedia, but it seems to just be a summary of the films from Mercer's perspective. I wouldn't put much store by swordfighting skills posted on Wikipedia and other such sites, because everyone can say anything they like. Perhaps somebody who is a fan of Mercer simply changed/wrote that text to suggest he is an amazing swordsman. As far as I recall from the film, Mercer did not display any thoroughly impressive swordfighting skills. Even an average swordsman could, in theory, hold his own against a great swordsman, even if only for a couple of minutes. After all it is all depending in a large part on chance and not just on skill. So Mercer fighting Barbossa for a minute or so doesn't necessarily mean that he's a swordsman of equal skill to Barbossa.
I do think that Mercer is VERY good with guns.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Agreed, and he really doesn't have to be superior in his sword skills anyway to be a menace.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do think since he is LORD BECKETT's assistant, Beckett would have made sure to have given him proper training. I am not saying he is better than Barbossa, just a little less than evenly matched. But yes he is REALLY good with guns i think we should make a point that he is more superior than anyone else with a gun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course, Mercer is in no way any kind of lightweight. He has his skills and they are deadly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually i would think that, being an assassin, he would prefer the sword as opposed to the gun to be quiet.....Interesting.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, being an assassin his strength is the element of surprise, which would mean he wouldn't necessarily have to be a superior swordsman.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Commodore John Paul Jones wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps he is a good swordsman, just not a strong one? If he's always sneaking up, there's no need to exercise brute strength in a swordfight... so if he was to fight in the open, he may not be able to parry blows from a brute pirate?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, if he were forced to fight in the open against a superior swordsman his weaknesses would surely be out on display.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay, so we have his name: Maximilian Morgan Mercer. We have decided his fighting skills. Now we need a back story.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay. He comes from a pirate family? He is an assassin. How did this come about? Did he have a run in with Jack some time in the past? We have to find out what drives him and why he is so against piracy. And how did he come about meeting Beckett?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hmm; I don't remember hearing that and I DID listen to that audio commentary. Twice even, I think. Perhaps somebody should listen again. Of course you can't really compare people's swordfighting skills in a ranking system where the best swordsman (or -woman) will always win. There's a lot of chance and opportunity of the moment involved.
As for Mercer: I did quickly read through that post from Wikipedia, but it seems to just be a summary of the films from Mercer's perspective. I wouldn't put much store by swordfighting skills posted on Wikipedia and other such sites, because everyone can say anything they like. Perhaps somebody who is a fan of Mercer simply changed/wrote that text to suggest he is an amazing swordsman. As far as I recall from the film, Mercer did not display any thoroughly impressive swordfighting skills. Even an average swordsman could, in theory, hold his own against a great swordsman, even if only for a couple of minutes. After all it is all depending in a large part on chance and not just on skill. So Mercer fighting Barbossa for a minute or so doesn't necessarily mean that he's a swordsman of equal skill to Barbossa.
I do think that Mercer is VERY good with guns.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Agreed, and he really doesn't have to be superior in his sword skills anyway to be a menace.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do think since he is LORD BECKETT's assistant, Beckett would have made sure to have given him proper training. I am not saying he is better than Barbossa, just a little less than evenly matched. But yes he is REALLY good with guns i think we should make a point that he is more superior than anyone else with a gun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course, Mercer is in no way any kind of lightweight. He has his skills and they are deadly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually i would think that, being an assassin, he would prefer the sword as opposed to the gun to be quiet.....Interesting.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, being an assassin his strength is the element of surprise, which would mean he wouldn't necessarily have to be a superior swordsman.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Commodore John Paul Jones wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps he is a good swordsman, just not a strong one? If he's always sneaking up, there's no need to exercise brute strength in a swordfight... so if he was to fight in the open, he may not be able to parry blows from a brute pirate?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, if he were forced to fight in the open against a superior swordsman his weaknesses would surely be out on display.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mercer wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay, so we have his name: Maximilian Morgan Mercer. We have decided his fighting skills. Now we need a back story.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old Salt wrote:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay. He comes from a pirate family? He is an assassin. How did this come about? Did he have a run in with Jack some time in the past? We have to find out what drives him and why he is so against piracy. And how did he come about meeting Beckett?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->