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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

So are we all for a little remodeling of the script after we finsh....lets say.... the releasing the prisoners?
 
Older than Jack is also fine by me. Just not "Will Turner" young. I thought that originally Commodore John Paul Jones had the idea of making him a young and dashing person, but he doesn't really need to be THAT young, does he?

I'm all for remodeling the script when we've reached a certain point. Personally I thought of doing it after the arrival at Africa, but we could also continue a little bit longer until the releasing of the prisoners. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
 
Maybe older and wise. 50+? We dont want to foreshadow Will in this. I think an older man would work nicely, because a post Captain if I am informed correct is pretty high up, so he would have had to spend alot of time in the service to pull some slack. Thats how I see him, like a mentor to Jack even though he cant follow him on piracy, he will help him escape later which will result in his death aboard his ship.
 
I do think that in any case Jack and Edwars should be pretty much equals.
 
I pictured him young, like Jack. I didn't think about the post Captain issue, that's a good point, Mercer. And we don't want another Will Turner, that's for sure. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=224825:date=Dec 7 2007, 03:34 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Dec 7 2007, 03:34 PM) [snapback]224825[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jack doesn't seem to notice Mercer speaking. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

MERCER
Lord Beckett knows the value of
information.

JACK
(Thoughtfully)
I'm letting that lad get in me head to
much, now your starting to sound like
him, mate.
(As Jack speaks this he turns toward
Edwards and then literally jumps back
when he sees Mercer standing next to
him)
How do you keep doing that?



No. Just an attempt at some humor, and another example of Mercer sliding up without a sound. Jack thinks that Edwards said that line, then he turns and sees its Mercer standing there between them. Jack is actually directing that response at Edwards, then when he turns and sees Mercer there, he asks him that question.
 
I'm afraid I just don't really understand that line then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" />
Who is "that lad" and who is "him" in that line?
 
These are my thoughts on the siege of Batavia and the final battle in the film:
Jack sets up the fight and makes it seem like a good opportunity for the EITC. Then he goes to Batavia and tells the Dutch of the upcoming attack. Then we get the siege of Batavia. The EITC soldiers manage to get into the town quite easily, but then they are ambushed by the Dutch and eventually the Dutch win. Then the Dutch fleet chases the EITC fleet and sinks many ships. This is seen by Jack from the top of Batavia city. Jack then goes to the beach to leave Indonesia as well, but finds that his ship is being burnt and sunk by Nathaniel Edwards. Jack says "YOU?" and Edwards replies "I am realy sorry about this, Jack. I truly am.", echoing what Jack said to Edwards when Jack captured Edwards and turned pirate. Edwards and Jack are on different sides, but still friendly. Jack let Edwards go after turning pirate and now Edwards lets Jack go. Jack is alone on the beach in the dark, his ship has been burnt and sunk and he swears he will get his ship back even if it's the last thing he does. He tries and raise the Wench from the bottom of the sea, almost drowns and meets Davy Jones. Davy raises the rechristened Black Pearl, but Jack is caught in the middle of the EITC fleet's escape from Indonesia. So we then have the EITC fleet being chased by the VOC fleet and Jack has to escape with the Pearl.

This is also posted in the <a href="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=11249&view=findpost&p=225008" target="_blank">Pirates of the Caribbean Music thread</a>. Mercer suggested we can also discuss the usage of music in our prequel film in that thread. Be sure to check it out.
 
<!--quoteo(post=225008:date=Dec 9 2007, 07:09 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Dec 9 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]225008[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As for the attack on Batavia: My original idea was that Jack causes a war between the EITC and the Dutch VOC, which would turn out being the mark he left on Beckett. The reason is that the VOC is the main trading company in Indonesia and is much more powerful at the time than the EITC. So Beckett loses a lot of ships, men and money this way. Therefore I would expect the EITC to LOSE the fight for Batavia. The way you describe it though is as if they would very much win the fight.

These are my thoughts:
Jack sets up the fight and makes it seem like a good opportunity for the EITC. Then he goes to Batavia and tells the Dutch of the upcoming attack. Then we get the siege of Batavia. The EITC soldiers manage to get into the town quite easily (similar to what you describe), but then they are ambushed by the Dutch and eventually the Dutch win. Then the Dutch fleet chases the EITC fleet and sinks many ships. This is seen by Jack from the top of Batavia city. Jack then goes to the beach to leave Indonesia as well, but finds that his ship is being burnt and sunk by Nathaniel Edwards. Jack says "YOU?" and Edwards replies "I am realy sorry about this, Jack. I truly am.", echoing what Jack said to Edwards when Jack captured Edwards and turned pirate. Edwards and Jack are on different sides, but still friendly. Jack let Edwards go after turning pirate and now Edwards lets Jack go. Jack is alone on the beach in the dark, his ship has been burnt and sunk and he swears he will get his ship back even if it's the last thing he does. He tries and raise the Wench from the bottom of the sea, almost drowns and meets Davy Jones. Davy raises the rechristened Black Pearl, but Jack is caught in the middle of the EITC fleet's escape from Indonesia. So we then have the EITC fleet being chased by the VOC fleet and Jack has to escape with the Pearl.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the Dutch HAVE to be eventually defeated by Beckett to pave the way for his fleet of 300 ships and ultimate economic rule over the seas. We could put a harder fight for the EITC, but i think with the right planning, and a good number of troops the EITC could actually capture Batavia. (Not mentioning Mercers cruelty in combat would give the EITC an edge intimidation wise). Mercer should have a reputation to the other trading companies and so they would become uneasy if they heard he was on his way with a whole host of EITC marines. Yes, the dutch can ambush them, and this hard hand-to-hand fight breaks out. Mercer, seeing them distracted could take a company down another street and flank them. Here's what i think the goals of the EITC are:

1) Gain entry.
2) Distract enemy soldiers.
3) Secure waterfront so enemy cant escape.
4) Have transport fleet escorts blockade the harbor to prevent any escape.
5) Annihilate any resistance.
6)Capture or kill the enemy General.
7)Capture enemy governor.

Then in the battle between Jones and Beckett, the VOC will show up with a task force to get revenge for the loss of their capital in the indies.
 
As for the siege of Batavia: I do agree that Beckett needs to build up his fleet, but I imagine he would do it between the end of our story and the big fight in AWE. If Beckett wins the siege of Batavia, Jack didn't succeed in his attempt to foil Beckett and thus he wouldn't have left a mark on Beckett either. I think that if Jack had not caused the siege of Batavia, which Beckett would then lose, Beckett would have been able to build up his fleet much quicker. So Jack greatly delayed Beckett's quest for power, which obviously he wouldn't be happy with one bit. Have you noticed that in AWE the thing Beckett wants MOST is Jack dead? That is not just normal dislike or even normal hatred. Beckett must REALLY have a good reason to hate Jack beyond anything and anyone else. So why is that? Beckett did say Jack left a mark on him. That is most likely the reason for this hatred. But what is that mark? If there is one thing we must explain in our film, it's that.

Also I think that we want to end the film on a mostly positive tone somehow. If the bad guys win the siege and Jack has to make a deal with Jones, that is not really nice. On the other hand: If the bad guys LOSE the battle, Jack manages to escape a much bigger foe and is ready to search for another treasure, that is a much more happy end. In any case: It was your idea to have Beckett witness the awesome power of the Flying Dutchman, looking at most his fleet being destroyed. So here Beckett loses a lot anyway.
 
Why did Jack do that? I imagine because he's angry with Beckett. And what he does is to cause a big bad war between the EITC and VOC, ending up with the EITC losing and thus Beckett being greatly delayed in his quest for power. Of course that is my personal answer to that question. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
Hi all....

I have one question (stupid one but...)
What's Batavia? I saw you were talking bout it but I can't find it anywhere. (43 pages are here)
 
<!--quoteo(post=225009:date=Dec 9 2007, 02:13 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Dec 9 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]225009[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is also posted in the <a href="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=11249&view=findpost&p=225008" target="_blank">Pirates of the Caribbean Music thread</a>. Mercer suggested we can also discuss the usage of music in our prequel film in that thread. Be sure to check it out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

We are not directors.... or whoever puts music in movies. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
Batavia is what is now known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta" target="_blank">Jakarta</a>: The Capital of Indonesia. This was the main town controlled by the Dutch East India trading company: The Verenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC).

As for the music: We might not have the final say on it, but we can add some notes on what music we imagine for each scene in our script. I think that we should try to come up with as complete a vision as possible for our film. Including the story, the effects needed, kind of characters and actors, music usage, interesting shots and basically anything we could think of.

I am wondering if we could make like an "animatic" of our film when we've got our script done. We could use parts of other films, drawings, animations made in 3D programs and animations captured from pirate computer games. Then we could all record the linesfor the various characters and stick them in and we could use existing music for the temp track. Now if we could make something like that and show it to Disney, I am pretty sure they would give it some considerations. After all: That way we'd save them a LOT of trouble and money. It'd be a lot of work though. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
HEY! The <i>History</i> section on that page is actually REALLY INTERESTING for our film! Check this out!<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Through the relationship with Prince Jayawikarta from the Sultanate of Banten, Dutch ships arrived in Jayakarta in 1596. In 1602, the British East India Company's first voyage, commanded by Sir James Lancaster, arrived in Aceh and sailed on to Banten where they were allowed to build a trading post. This site became the center of British trade in Indonesia until 1682.

Apparently, Jayawikarta also made a trading connection with the English merchants, the Dutch rivalry, by allowing them to build houses directly across from the Dutch buildings in 1615. When relations between Prince Jayawikarta and the Dutch later deteriorated, Jayawikarta's soldiers attacked the Dutch fortress. But even with the help of fifteen British ships, Prince Jayakarta's army wasn't able to defeat the Dutch, in part owing to the timely arrival of Jan Pieterszoon Coen (J.P. Coen). The Dutch burned the English fort, and forced the English retreat on their ships. With this victory, Dutch power in the area was consolidated. In 1619 they renamed the city "Batavia."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Does anyone think we could just stick those events straight into our film? Of course the PotC films don't take place during these exact years. Most likely they take place about 100(!) years later. But still this sounds really quite similar to my thoughts for the film. And that would give our story a solid base in real history. Even though we would've moved the timeline around by about a hundred years. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
 
Oh... interesting.
Didn't saw batavia on those drafts.
It will be cool. Very...cool.

So where were we with our script?
We need to toss in the ''giving navgation to the Edwards''
 
When in doubt, check the <a href="http://www.s31clan.com/privateftps/pietersmods/others/potc_hoist_the_colours" target="_blank">script page</a>. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

By the looks of it, we need the following:
- Jack putting Edwards in charge of navigation the morning after the dinner scene
- Sailing montage (need ideas)
- Doldrums scene
- Africa Arrival
- Rewrites and improvements of current scenes
- And, like usual, any good stuff you might come up with
 
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