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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

Voyage montage, actually. Just a couple of fun and interesting shots of sailors at work and the ship sailing around. Perhaps we can add some sightings of notable landmarks along the voyage.
 
For clarity's sake, I have made a map showing Jack's voyage during our film and added in the main locations and events. The distances are approximate and the voyage durations are based on an average speed of 14 knots (36 km/h). I think we should keep these durations and routes in mind when writing our script.

What do you think would be a reasonable speed for the Wicked Wench/Black Pearl? The Lady Washington, used as the HMS Interceptor in the films, has a speed of about 10 knots and was supposed to be the fastest ship in the Caribbean. Big galleons had a speed of about 8 knots though. 14 knots might be a bit slow for a ship like the Wicked Wench that is said to be the fastest ship in the Caribbean, but she's NOT said to be the fastest ship in the world and 14 knots is not exactly slow for an old sailing vessel.

I used <a href="http://www.searates.com/reference/portdistance" target="_blank">this</a> site for calculating the distances. Quite a cool site actually. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
it seems like you underestimated the amount of days a bit though. for reference, a voyage of a ship going 9 knots average from england to australia takes 100 days+. i'd say the pearl would do 12 knots.

i've tried the site myself and it looks like it's definately undercalculating. i'll try again just for good measure.
 
3200 miles / 14 knots = 228,6 hours. 228,6 / 24 = 10 days.
Of course what this site does not take into account is the presence (or absence) of wind and the wind direction.
But trust me: I'm studying navigation for real. The site calculates correctly. Really does. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

London (England) to Sydney (Australia) via Cape Town (South Africa) takes 56 days and 1 hour at an average speed of 9 knots.
 
true, but i've been reading about 4 autobiografies of men who've sailed around the world. they took at least 100 days to sidney via south africa. and that's USING the tradewinds.
 
I am thinking 14 knots is perhaps a bit much for the average speed of the Wicked Wench during the voyages. Big old sailing ships had a maximum speed of about 8-9 knots. Probably their average speed would be about 3 knots on a long distance because of weather influences. So 3 knots average speed for a real voyage versus 14 knots average speed for the Wicked Wench might be a bit too much of a difference. What then would be the maximum speed of the Wench? 30 knots? That would be about 55 km per hour! Any thoughts on a more realistic speed?

Of course that website is made for modern motor vessels. These kind of ships can actually maintain their maximum speed for the entire journey. Old ships would have an average speed much lower than their maximum speed. The maximum speed could only be achieved in the most ideal of circumstances.
 
Another idea: Why did Jack want to find the treasure of Isla de Muerte so much? It must've been the thing he wanted most in this world, otherwise his compass couldn't have led him to it. So why did he want it so much? After all: It's just a treasure. But I've got a possible answer: He heard about the curse of the treasure and thought he might be able to use it to his advantage, considering his deal with Davy Jones. Jack being Jack, you just KNOW that he's trying to figure out some way to not have to keep his end of the bargain. And perhaps Jack thinks that the curse of the treasure of Isla de Muerte might just be the way.

Do you remember the deleted scene on CotBP where Jack is wondering whether or not to lift the curse on himself. He says: "It's not a <i>bad</i> look, really." Obviously he likes being a skeleton much better than being a squid. Of course this scene was never used and makes no sense if it were put in the current film, because the curse's workings have been changed. But I do think that Jack's opinion on the curse there might've been pretty valid.

Also at the end of CotBP, Jack is looking at his compass again. Before DMC was made, I always expected him to go back to Isla de Muerte with the idea to get himself cursed-on-purpose and that way be able to plunder to his heart's content without fear of dying, but still being able to lift the curse whenever he'd feel like it. Sounds like something like Jack might do. Perhaps he had been planning that all along, ever since he made the deal with Davy Jones. Of course that didn't quite work out the way he planned... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
haven't you cought on to the fact that he mainly wants to sail the seas forever? it's sometimes even literally mentioned in AWE.
 
Good point. Doesn't invalidate my thoughts though, does it? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
of course. but him wanting to sail to seas for enternity in whatever way possible is a possible reason as well, as you agreeeeeeeeeed with.
 
So then we are agreed on the idea that Jack wanted to find the treasure of Isla de Muerte beyond anything else to get cursed-on-purpose and do whatever it is he was planning to do (most likely sailing the seven seas) forever? I suddenly think of what he said to Elizabeth when using her to find the chest of Davy Jones:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Elizabeth: Where does it point?
Jack: It points to the thing you want most in this world.
Elizabeth: Jack. [shakes her head] Are you telling the truth?
Jack: Every word, love. And what you want most in this world... [places the compass in her hands] is to find the chest of Davy Jones, is it not?
Elizabeth: To save Will.
Jack: By finding the chest of Davy Jones.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems like here Jack was linking an object (chest of Davy Jones) to an abstract desire (saving Will) in the same way as himself linking an object (treasure of Isla de Muerte) to an abstract desire (sailing the seas forever). This is required for making the compass work, because the compass works relatively simple. If the compass points to Jack, it is Jack you want and not the freedom he might represent. This has been confirmed by Ted and Terry.
 
what i think is that jack already knew of the fact that he'd become captain if he stabbed the heart beforehand. he didn't stab it because the dutchman would sink otherwise before he could get to it to claim it.
 
You mean during the Maelstrom scene? I am pretty sure Jack knew the details of the curse by that point. Not sure when he learned of them though. I do wonder why Jack didn't stab the heart when he had the chance. He was just standing there until Davy stabbed Will. At that point, Jack did the honourable thing and made Will stab the heart, saving his life. But why did he not do it before? If he had stabbed the heart, Davy would've died, Will wouldn't have been stabbed and would've been able to life a happily ever-after with Elizabeth and Jack would've become captain of Dutchman, able to sail the seven seas. Perhaps Jack just couldn't get himself to being so cruel as to kill Davy. Which was a mistake, obviously. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
well, don't forget that Will sort of betrayed him. i don't think that jack would do it because of that though. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> still, good point. why not ask the writers?
 
<!--quoteo(post=225172:date=Dec 10 2007, 07:26 AM:name=gunsmith)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gunsmith @ Dec 10 2007, 07:26 AM) [snapback]225172[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We are not directors.... or whoever puts music in movies. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but we can recommend what is put in the scene that they would hopefully follow. Since we are the writers, we should know what type of music should be used to capture the emotion of the scene.
 
<!--quoteo(post=225197:date=Dec 10 2007, 10:25 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Dec 10 2007, 10:25 AM) [snapback]225197[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->For clarity's sake, I have made a map showing Jack's voyage during our film and added in the main locations and events. The distances are approximate and the voyage durations are based on an average speed of 14 knots (36 km/h). I think we should keep these durations and routes in mind when writing our script.

What do you think would be a reasonable speed for the Wicked Wench/Black Pearl? The Lady Washington, used as the HMS Interceptor in the films, has a speed of about 10 knots and was supposed to be the fastest ship in the Caribbean. Big galleons had a speed of about 8 knots though. 14 knots might be a bit slow for a ship like the Wicked Wench that is said to be the fastest ship in the Caribbean, but she's NOT said to be the fastest ship in the world and 14 knots is not exactly slow for an old sailing vessel.

I used <a href="http://www.searates.com/reference/portdistance" target="_blank">this</a> site for calculating the distances. Quite a cool site actually. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats an awesome program!!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
Pieter i think Jack just stood there with the heart to make one of his ironic speaches, which he did. However, he didnt expect Davy to take it so...literally and stab Will. Also you must understand that Jack was reluctant to accept the captiancy because, he wanted to sail freely, not do the duty of being the captain of the flying dutchman. And pieter that is interesting your thought on the Isla De Muerte treasure. Morgan did make a good point that he wants to sail the seas forever.
 
<!--quoteo(post=225298:date=Dec 10 2007, 10:37 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgan Terror @ Dec 10 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]225298[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->well, don't forget that Will sort of betrayed him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oooh! Now THERE's a dark thought! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" />
Will betrayed Jack with his deal with Sao Feng for the Black Pearl. However, I do believe that when Will would've gotten the Pearl and used her to kill Davy Jones and becoming the new captain, he would've given the Pearl back to Jack. By the time of Will's mutiny, he already knew that he would need to take Davy's place if he ever wanted to save his father. In any case Jack and Will were working together before the maelstrom scene occurred, so I don't think Jack would still hold a grudge against Will.

Another question: Will was left in charge of the Black Pearl while Jack and Barbossa both went ashore to find water. The reason was that neither captain was willing to leave "his" ship behind in the custody of the other captain. But why did they not BOTH stay aboard and send Will for the water? That way the mutiny would never have occurred in the first place. And how come both Sao Feng and Cutler Beckett knew where to find them in the first place? The island was near the "exit" from Davy Jones' Locker. Will proposed the island. Did Will somehow agree with Sao Feng where to meet? If so: How did Will know where the exit to Davy Jones' Locker was so long before ever entering it?
 
<!--quoteo(post=225303:date=Dec 10 2007, 10:48 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Dec 10 2007, 10:48 PM) [snapback]225303[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pieter i think Jack just stood there with the heart to make one of his ironic speaches, which he did. However, he didnt expect Davy to take it so...literally and stab Will.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->OUCH! Does anyone think that perhaps Jack should down on his speaching a bit for the good of... everyone? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=225303:date=Dec 10 2007, 10:48 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Dec 10 2007, 10:48 PM) [snapback]225303[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also you must understand that Jack was reluctant to accept the captiancy because, he wanted to sail freely, not do the duty of being the captain of the flying dutchman.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Good point. It was obvious that being the captain of the Flying Dutchman was not Jack's preferred way of being immortal. I think being a skeleton in the moonlight who can't feel anything, but being able to lift your curse at any given time, would be much preferrable.

<!--quoteo(post=225303:date=Dec 10 2007, 10:48 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Dec 10 2007, 10:48 PM) [snapback]225303[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And pieter that is interesting your thought on the Isla De Muerte treasure. Morgan did make a good point that he wants to sail the seas forever.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think that putting Morgan's and my ideas together gives a pretty close idea of what Jack was really planning:
<i>Jack wanted to find the treasure of Isla de Muerte beyond anything else to get cursed-on-purpose and sail the seven seas forever.</i>
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Pieter Boelen+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Older than Jack is also fine by me. Just not "Will Turner" young. I thought that originally Commodore John Paul Jones had the idea of making him a young and dashing person, but he doesn't really need to be THAT young, does he?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was thinking early thirties, like Eroll Flynn at the height of his pirate flicks career in the 1950s.
 
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