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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

To Commodore John Paul Jones: Your last post sounds absolutely brilliant! Is Post-Captain Nathaniel Edwards similar in character to whom I referred to as Thomas Norton? I like the name you came up with. Makes him much more classy. Of course the name I came up with was never meant as the final name anyway. Just something I quickly came up with for the sake of not having to call him "Jack's First Officer" all the time.

If our ideas are never made into a film, we could always make it into a novel with illustrations by the community members. Of course the novel format allows for much more freedom in storytelling than the film script format does. In a novel one can add detailed descriptions of shipboard life and the voyage, while in a film the audience would become bored with such things pretty quickly. In any case: Brilliantly done, Commodore! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=213831:date=Sep 8 2007, 05:08 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 8 2007, 05:08 AM) [snapback]213831[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The sun rose over the horizon, a glowing ember in the dark sky. Slowly, the ocean took form again, light refracting off the waves in a trail of sparkling wonder; the night suddenly disappeared as the sky gained vibrant color, betraying the sight which proclaimed to the world the might of the British Empire. The string of ships, each varying in size and design, gave the flotilla a diverse and rich personality, only to be shattered by the royal blue ensigns that bore the seal of the infamous monopoly of aristocratic decent. The large armed escorts, each mounting guns across two gun decks, kept the merchantmen in check like dogs to sheep, the largest, a first rate that bore the golden title <i>Endeavor</i>, oversaw the activities from the center of the convoy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wonder if we can somehow use part of this scene into the film as well. I have NO idea how it could fit in, but it just sounds brilliant. You are a great storyteller, Commodore! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />

To Mercer: Where can I find your battle plan drawing? I read your battle plan, but I don't seem to be able to find the accompanying drawing. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

A couple of notes: The Black Pearl in the films doesn't have any bow or stern chasers. Also I would not have the Dauntless in the battle. The Dauntless is a Royal Navy ship and not an EITC ship. Also: I think James Norrington should be aboard the Dauntless, but he is probably elsewhere at this point in the timeline. I think it would be nice if we could somewhat abide to Commodore John Paul Jones' novel's timeline as far as Norrington is concerned. Also: I would like to handle the battle in such a way that it is not too obvious to the audience that the Flying Dutchman is supernatural.

Good point about the crew aboard the Black Pearl: Who DOES crew the Black Pearl after the ship is raised? It would be interesting to put some of the Dutchman's crew on there, then show them being aboard the Dutchman again later without giving any explanation on how they got there. That way the audience might be able to deduce that something odd is going on, even though it would not be obvious to most people. But who crews the Pearl after the Dutchman's crew left? Surely Jack doesn't sail her from Indonesia to Tortuga all on his onesy?
 
<!--quoteo(post=214966:date=Sep 21 2007, 07:09 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 21 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]214966[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Could you please not quote really long posts like my temporary draft in full? That prevents the thread from becoming overly long. It would also be appreciated if you don't add quotes in quotes into your posts. If you do end up with a quote in a quote, please remove it. I edited several posts to remove most of the quote so that the thread becomes easier to read.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry about that Pieter, you are correct of course, usually the only time I will include a quote within a quote is if I think that the previous quote was relevant to the point I'm trying to make.

<!--quoteo(post=214966:date=Sep 21 2007, 07:09 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 21 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]214966[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I personally think ending on Barbossa would be a good ending to the film, but there is one reservation: DMC ALSO ends on Barbossa, so wouldn't we be using the same ending twice? Unless it is a different member of Jack's crew we end with. Perhaps Bootstrap Bill instead of Barbossa. That might add some more interest and would be something different from the DMC ending.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boostrap Bill coming out of the shadows would be brilliant. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Your right, having Barbossa do it twice would be a bit to much.

I'll comment on some of your other points later, I don't have time right now.
 
<!--quoteo(post=215006:date=Sep 21 2007, 05:03 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 21 2007, 05:03 PM) [snapback]215006[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry about that Pieter, you are correct of course, usually the only time I will include a quote within a quote is if I think that the previous quote was relevant to the point I'm trying to make.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->No problem. I usually don't have a problem with lengthy quotes or quotes in quotes, but if people start quoting incredibly long posts in full, that is a bit too much really... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
Just for fun, find attached a screenshot of the Kazeite's Wicked Wench model in the PotC game.
 
<!--quoteo(post=215018:date=Sep 21 2007, 10:55 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 21 2007, 10:55 AM) [snapback]215018[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just for fun, find attached a screenshot of the Kazeite's Wicked Wench model in the PotC game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Love it, perfect model, lets roll with it.

Hey, i was going to post something on what you said really early in the morning, and i was so tired, i couldnt type right. So, lets show bootstrap and how he and barbossa mutinied, and why he went ot serve on the Dutchman. I would like that alot. Also sorry Pieter i did that quote on quote on quote thing, i just dont know how to cut out one line of the quote from it. I will try harder not to. Sorry again.

Commodore, i dont know if i posted on this, so forgive me if i say the same message as before, but i like where you are going with the script with sparrow and edwards. Of course, you know Mercer he will somehow keep beckett informed on what is going on with the "shipment".

Good, everyone is doing a great job, lots of ideas in the mixing pot. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Very good...so...I might be able to draw storyboards for you guys, along with anyone else, just, do you prefer a portrait of the scene or a quick sketch?
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is Post-Captain Nathaniel Edwards similar in character to whom I referred to as Thomas Norton?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed Pieter! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> I had actually intended for Captain Edwards to be the character you suggested. I took your advice and gave him an actual name (I tried to get one that said "classic traditional English" all over it). I also sort of made him the "dashing and daring" sort, the one that the girls will swoon over, sort of filling in for Orlando Bloom.
I think that when Edwards and Jack finally go their own ways, Edwards is given the EICS <i>Phalanx</i> of 80 guns across two gundecks. He continues in his career with the ambitions of a dashing youthful officer, which sets him apart from Sparrow.
My inspiration behind Captain Jack Sparrow of the EIC came from Ichabod Crane in <i>Sleepy Hollow</i>. He's not as quirky, a bit more formal and sound, yet still the signature of Johnny Depp's acting.

And I would be most appreciative if Norrington and the <i>Dauntless</i> were left out of this for technical reasons. In the eight years between Elizabeth's meeting Will and his promotion to Commodore, he'll be off fighting the Revolution aginst those "upstart farmers with pitchforks".
And I really think that putting the infant United States into AWE's prequel would be interesting. With the future of piracy at stake, the Americans could be the additional support from an actual sailing navy (as small as it may be) to continue the war against the EIC.

Thanks everyone for the support! (Perhaps Disney will see this, my samples of writing, and actually ask me to show them my Norrington books...) I can't wait to get some more written!
 
<!--quoteo(post=215006:date=Sep 21 2007, 05:03 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 21 2007, 05:03 PM) [snapback]215006[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Boostrap Bill coming out of the shadows would be brilliant. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Your right, having Barbossa do it twice would be a bit to much.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Thinking about this some more: Bootstrap Bill should be the spitting image of Will Turner here, because Jack remembers him as looking just like Will and this will be the first time they meet. Might be an interesting set-up for Curse of the Black Pearl.
 
<!--quoteo(post=215082:date=Sep 21 2007, 06:07 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 21 2007, 06:07 PM) [snapback]215082[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thinking about this some more: Bootstrap Bill should be the spitting image of Will Turner here, because Jack remembers him as looking just like Will and this will be the first time they meet. Might be an interesting set-up for Curse of the Black Pearl.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. I think this works on many levels, Pieter. We can have a proper set up for the meeting without quite revealing who the pirate will be whom Jack is going to meet. It would provide shock value to the audience for an actor who looks like Orlando Bloom to come out of the shadows. The camera could then pan to Jack, who asks in a hesitant voice. "Are you the one they call Bootstrap?"
Or maybe that could be turned around. Have Jack ask the question, then the shadowy figure that emerges is the spitting image of Will Turner. Or perhaps the camera will be looking at then man's back and as Jack asks the question the camera can pan slowly around to reveal a man who looks like Will but is Bootstrap.
 
<!--quoteo(post=215068:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]215068[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, lets show bootstrap and how he and barbossa mutinied, and why he went ot serve on the Dutchman. I would like that alot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->To quote myself:<!--quoteo(post=214966:date=Sep 21 2007, 01:09 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 21 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]214966[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this. We already know the answers to these questions. The Black Pearl crew got cursed because of taking gold from the chest of Cortez. The Flying Dutchman crew got cursed because of Davy Jones abandoning his duties. Bootstrap went to serve on the Dutchman because he couldn't move on the sea floor due to the pressure of the water, but couldn't die either. If we show all this in a film, it will be no surprise in the other films. Even worse, if we show it in a prequel, the audience when watching the other films will just think "shut up, I already know that! I've seen it!" when it's explained in the other films. Personally I think we don't need to show anything that is already adequately explained through dialogue or otherwise in the other films.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--quoteo(post=215068:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]215068[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also sorry Pieter i did that quote on quote on quote thing, i just dont know how to cut out one line of the quote from it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->No problem. It's really quite easy to prevent it though. When you press the Reply button, you get the quote between [ quote ] and [ /quote ] marks. Just remove everything between these marks that you think is too much. Or remove all the text including the marks to remove the entire quote.

<!--quoteo(post=215068:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]215068[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course, you know Mercer he will somehow keep beckett informed on what is going on with the "shipment".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->How is he going to do that? Communications in that time weren't as quick as they are today. It would take weeks, if not months, for any news from Mercer to reach Beckett in London.

<!--quoteo(post=215068:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 21 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]215068[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I might be able to draw storyboards for you guys, along with anyone else, just, do you prefer a portrait of the scene or a quick sketch?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I would like to have detailed portraits of scenes rather than quick storyboards. The storyboards can be made by the people who would eventually make the film. But the detailed sketches could be used for the production design of the film. I think that we should try to make as much production design stuff to accompany the script as possible. We could use models, ships or scenes from the Pirates of the Caribbean PC game as examples, because we already have the Wicked Wench and Jack as officer in that game.

<!--quoteo(post=215072:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:09 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 21 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]215072[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I also sort of made him the "dashing and daring" sort, the one that the girls will swoon over, sort of filling in for Orlando Bloom. I think that when Edwards and Jack finally go their own ways, Edwards is given the EICS <i>Phalanx</i> of 80 guns across two gundecks. He continues in his career with the ambitions of a dashing youthful officer, which sets him apart from Sparrow.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That sounds pretty good. I wonder how that would go with my take on the character though where he is charged with hunting down Jack, where he burns and sinks the Wench on Beckett's orders and where he eventually gets killed in the final battle. If he is to be a sympatheic character all the way through, this would be a sorry end for him. On the other hand: It would also be odd if he would disappear from the film series halfway into the prequel when Jack lets him go. I suppose this will require some further deliberation.

Something that just popped into my mind: Why does Beckett burn and sink the Wench if he knows she is so fast? Why didn't he take the ship when he could after Jack went all-out pirate? That's a bit odd. Unless it is actually Edwards who burns and sinks her, while he was actually ordered to capture her. This could somehow play into the "dashing and daring" aspect of the character. Even though he is an ambitious young officer who wants to remain with the EITC, this is actually a tiny token of friendship to Jack in that he makes sure that if Jack cannot have the Wench, at least Beckett won't have her either.

One thing also worth pondering about: Edwards' opinion on slaves seems to be the same as with most people of the era. He thinks its just normal and doesn't see Jack's problem with the whole thing. However, the audience will not agree with Edwards, so what will this do for the audience's liking of the character? First he seems a nice guy, then he turns out to have no problem with slavery! That might be somewhat controversial. I personally think we should deliberately DO that. To have that little bit of controversy in the film to show that none of the characters are perfect. And also for a bit of realism: After all the general opinion on the matter in those days WAS that slavery is normal. Why should we be afraid to show the truth in that respect?

<!--quoteo(post=215072:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:09 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 21 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]215072[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My inspiration behind Captain Jack Sparrow of the EIC came from Ichabod Crane in <i>Sleepy Hollow</i>. He's not as quirky, a bit more formal and sound, yet still the signature of Johnny Depp's acting.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->You really manage to capture Jack in his early days well. I'm impressed. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=215072:date=Sep 21 2007, 11:09 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 21 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]215072[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanks everyone for the support! (Perhaps Disney will see this, my samples of writing, and actually ask me to show them my Norrington books...) I can't wait to get some more written!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I can't wait to READ it. I certainly hope you will somehow get through to Disney. Judging by what I've seen from your work, it sure does deserve publishing. And I, for one, would buy the book if its published. But I hope that whatever happens, you will allow us to read it somehow... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Unless it is actually Edwards who burns and sinks her, while he was actually ordered to capture her. This could somehow play into the "dashing and daring" aspect of the character. Even though he is an ambitious young officer who wants to remain with the EITC, this is actually a tiny token of friendship to Jack in that he makes sure that if Jack cannot have the Wench, at least Beckett won't have her either.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I second that. Edwards could then play it off, using the ambitious aspect of his character to make Beckett think that he went the whole nine yards and destroyed her.
"Actually, I captured her and blew her clean out of the water, aren't you proud of me? Do I get a promotion?" would be the sort of story that Beckett would get, while he actually did it to foil him... which makes the audience favor him even more. That would make the final battle between Sparrow and Edwards very much like the "Anakin vs. Obi-Wan" fight... Beckett orders Edwards to engage with Sparrow, so he reluctantly goes in. In the midst of the battle, he suddenly hauls down his colors and hoists a black flag... an attempt to aid Sparrow and do what is right. (He didn't agree with the slaves, but his ambitions got the better of him until now at the climax.)
Sparrow would have lost, but Edwards' aid in battle and ultimate sacrifice of life and the destruction of the <i>Phalanx</i> proceures his escape. The only survivor of Edwards' crew, a bootmaker from Portsmouth pressed into service as a steward, vows to serve Sparrow (As Edwards had fondly said so much about him.) ... William "Bootstrap Bill" Turner. This forshadows the opening scene when Will jr. is plucked from the wreckage of his ship in TCotBP. <i>"The Friend of my friend is my friend."</i> could be a way to put it.

I think I'll create some scenes of the <i>Wicked Wench</i> the way I've described her, the <i>Phalanx</i>, and probably some battle scenes. I think some character drawings of Gentleman Sparrow and Captain Edwards are in order too.<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
Hey, if someone is willing to make the models for the script i will gladly supply a plan for it, but i think you should check with the Commodore before you ask me, he knows quite a bit more about this time period. I myself studied the art of naval warfare between 1620 and 1700 that is my favourite area in naval warfare, with this era not far behind. Anyways he has already drawn a plan for the dauntless which will work fine for our script since i intend to have Beckett control the Dauntless as one of the many ships in his fleet.

Commodore if you drad the Endevour, which i am sure you know more about it than me, dont be annoyed if something i tell you has already been taken intoo account. So the endevour needs to be a bit longer than the Dauntless, and will need a bit more cannons 120-128 tops total cannons. Also we need some heavy frigates drawn up so i know what you want them to look like in the story board.

For the person who wants to make the models using the POTC game engine i believe we need : some 74's with slight.y varying colors (i.e. yellow and black, or red and black) those are the only colors i have seen from THIS time period maybe the COmmodore knows a bit more. Anyways, we need Edward's 80 gun ship make it special like the endevour. And we need a model of the dutchman W/O THE SEAWEED and junk so i will provide a picture of the stern of my favourite ship the Wasa below because the designers of the Dutchman took alot of inspiration from the wasa. So maybe a bit more decorations than any normal ship of this time. And i belive that is it if there are any suggestions that would be great!

If everyone likes the Commodore's script he wrote (which i know i do! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> ) i could convert it to script form.

Also commodore what i meant by Mercer keeping Beckett informed was that he would accompany edwards on the Pearl for the mission, because if this missionis SOOO important to Beckett he would want no screw-ups so it would be believable for him to send his most trusted minion to make sure of this.
 
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Commodore if you draw the <i>Endevour</i>, which I am sure you know more about it than me, dont be annoyed if something I tell you has already been taken intoo account. So the <i>Endevour</i> needs to be a bit longer than the <i>Dauntless</i>, and will need a bit more cannons 120-128 tops total cannons. Also we need some heavy frigates drawn up so i know what you want them to look like in the story board.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No worries mate! There's really no serious need for a draft of the <i>Endeavor</i>. Its almost identical to the <i>Dauntless</i> save being slightly longer and a few guns heavier.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->For the person who wants to make the models using the POTC game engine I believe we need : some 74's with slightly varying colors (i.e. yellow and black, or red and black) those are the only colors I have seen from THIS time period maybe the Commodore knows a bit more. Anyways, we need Edward's 80 gun ship make it special like the <i>Endevour</i>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think that if we did something like a signature figurehead (A Spartan warrior crouching behind his shield, his pike extended out, a sneer on his face. Like he's King Leonidas leading his phalanx formation into battle.) that could work. I think we could also give him an easy to spot signature. Most ships would be flying their ensigns from the gaff on the driver sail, but the <i>Phalanx</i> would have a flagmast on the taffrail to support a <u>large</u> EIC ensign.

<u>Color Schemes of Sailing Navies</u>
Black with gold..........................Royal Navy
Black with sharp yellow..............East India Company
Black with maroon.....................French Navy
Black with orange......................Spanish Navy
Black with white.........................United States Navy
Black with dark brown................Dutch Navy
Dark brown with cream..............Dutch VOC

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also commodore what i meant by Mercer keeping Beckett informed was that he would accompany edwards on the Pearl for the mission, because if this missionis SOOO important to Beckett he would want no screw-ups so it would be believable for him to send his most trusted minion to make sure of this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was thinking that he sends Mercer on his own packet brig to shadow the <i>Wicked Wench</i>. A sort of personal royal yacht of Beckett's. What if we named it the <i>Sovereign</i>? It has that aristocratic and royal flair. This could also show how <u>Governor Swann</u> knew Beckett previous to DMC... he is merely Sir Weatherby Swann, a personally employed "cruise captain" for Beckett's royal yacht. When he tries to side with Jack, Mercer takes the <i>Sovereign</i> from Swann and locks Swann away. Rather than hang a fellow English noble, Beckett goes easy on him and exiles him to Governor of Port Royale. (Which would explain why Beckett comes in DMC, he finds that Swann once again tried to rebel against him, so he removes Swann from power.)

I have some drafts:

Seventy-Four, preferred design for EICS <i>Phalanx</i>.
<img src="http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/_Commodore_John_Paul_Jones/WRaisonnable-1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Heavy frigate.
<img src="http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/_Commodore_John_Paul_Jones/WLively.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=215096:date=Sep 21 2007, 08:25 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 21 2007, 08:25 PM) [snapback]215096[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Unless it is actually Edwards who burns and sinks her, while he was actually ordered to capture her. This could somehow play into the "dashing and daring" aspect of the character. Even though he is an ambitious young officer who wants to remain with the EITC, this is actually a tiny token of friendship to Jack in that he makes sure that if Jack cannot have the Wench, at least Beckett won't have her either.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I second that. Edwards could then play it off, using the ambitious aspect of his character to make Beckett think that he went the whole nine yards and destroyed her.
"Actually, I captured her and blew her clean out of the water, aren't you proud of me? Do I get a promotion?" would be the sort of story that Beckett would get, while he actually did it to foil him... which makes the audience favor him even more. That would make the final battle between Sparrow and Edwards very much like the "Anakin vs. Obi-Wan" fight... Beckett orders Edwards to engage with Sparrow, so he reluctantly goes in. In the midst of the battle, he suddenly hauls down his colors and hoists a black flag... an attempt to aid Sparrow and do what is right. (He didn't agree with the slaves, but his ambitions got the better of him until now at the climax.)
Sparrow would have lost, but Edwards' aid in battle and ultimate sacrifice of life and the destruction of the <i>Phalanx</i> proceures his escape. The only survivor of Edwards' crew, a bootmaker from Portsmouth pressed into service as a steward, vows to serve Sparrow (As Edwards had fondly said so much about him.) ... William "Bootstrap Bill" Turner. This forshadows the opening scene when Will jr. is plucked from the wreckage of his ship in TCotBP. <i>"The Friend of my friend is my friend."</i> could be a way to put it.

I think I'll create some scenes of the <i>Wicked Wench</i> the way I've described her, the <i>Phalanx</i>, and probably some battle scenes. I think some character drawings of Gentleman Sparrow and Captain Edwards are in order too.<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Quite the conflicted character, this Edwards. I was wondering if his conscious would finally get to him over the issue of the slaves. That seems to be what finally turned Jack off, but Edwards (Norton) still felt duty bound him. And unlike Anakin, Edwards turned back from the dark side at the last moment to join up with his friend.
If Bootstrap is one of Edward's crew, do we meet him then? Or do we find out later, perhaps in the last scene that Bootstrap was one of Edward's crew and that's why he answered Jack's call and agreed to meet him at the end.
 
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Good idea, Pieter. These threads do grow rather quickly and sometimes some posts full of good ideas can get lost. We'll all have to keep a look out for posts worthy of being linked. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Quite the conflicted character, this Edwards. I was wondering if his conscious would finally get to him over the issue of the slaves. That seems to be what finally turned Jack off, but Edwards (Norton) still felt duty bound him. And unlike Anakin, Edwards turned back from the dark side at the last moment to join up with his friend.
If Bootstrap is one of Edward's crew, do we meet him then? Or do we find out later, perhaps in the last scene that Bootstrap was one of Edward's crew and that's why he answered Jack's call and agreed to meet him at the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We'd meet him after the battle. But there'd still be some movie left to show him for a few minutes.
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I second that. Edwards could then play it off, using the ambitious aspect of his character to make Beckett think that he went the whole nine yards and destroyed her.
"Actually, I captured her and blew her clean out of the water, aren't you proud of me? Do I get a promotion?" would be the sort of story that Beckett would get, while he actually did it to foil him... which makes the audience favor him even more. That would make the final battle between Sparrow and Edwards very much like the "Anakin vs. Obi-Wan" fight... Beckett orders Edwards to engage with Sparrow, so he reluctantly goes in. In the midst of the battle, he suddenly hauls down his colors and hoists a black flag... an attempt to aid Sparrow and do what is right. (He didn't agree with the slaves, but his ambitions got the better of him until now at the climax.)
Sparrow would have lost, but Edwards' aid in battle and ultimate sacrifice of life and the destruction of the <i>Phalanx</i> proceures his escape. The only survivor of Edwards' crew, a bootmaker from Portsmouth pressed into service as a steward, vows to serve Sparrow (As Edwards had fondly said so much about him.) ... William "Bootstrap Bill" Turner. This forshadows the opening scene when Will jr. is plucked from the wreckage of his ship in TCotBP. <i>"The Friend of my friend is my friend."</i> could be a way to put it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

AHEM! And what about the Dutchman? I like the idea of Edwards raising a black flag to help sparrow but the dutchman should also be in there. Edwards is giving them a chance, if the dutchman sails on one side of the pearl, and the phalanx on the other the pearl is pretty safe. Though a dozen volleys from some 74's at the side of the Phalanx is not survivable.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> I know we shouldnt be OVERLY dramatic about this scene, but there has to be some drama involved. Maybe we could make it like slow motion as the Pearl is escorted out, or we keep the normal speed, and have some dramatic music playing, like when the Endevour was destroyed in AWE. We should show the Phalanx just being splintered. Shot from other ships are busting holes in her side, lines on the masts are snapping, splinters are flying everywhere, belaying lines are also snapping, one of the masts falls. Something like that, and to add to this, lets show Beckett watching this through his spyglass, it would then be an irony in AWE for HIS ship to be splintered apart by the two very same ships that escaped his grasp in the prequel, that could explain one of the reasons why he was in a trance-like state when the Endevour was being destroyed. Just an idea though. I would appreciate any comments! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
i am very keen indeed on that last remark. one thing though: how do you expect that this scene is going to be made? i'd think computer animation, but real ships where used in the other films.
 
Nice drafts Commodore! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> I do draw a few, but not near as good as yours with all of the shading. I am very impressed!
 
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