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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

Gentlemen and Officers,

Love the idea of a battle.

Just watching the battle of Lepanto on History channel. 600 ships, 250,000 people. WOW!! that is a battle.

My ideas on Jack as an unconventional Pirate ie cat burgler esq, is based upon an unscientific straw poll I carried out at work.

I asked people a range of questions about Jack e.g.

Would you invite Jack to party?

If he were an animal what would he be?

Is Jack happy?

Is he successful?

etc etc.

The general concensus was that he would avoid conflict, is actually very caring, though he puts on a show to hide it.
People feel very affectionate towards this fictitional character and would like to know more about his earlier life.

So much positive drive towards a prequel - 'make it and they will come'.

I am not precious about my ideas, I just hope they add a little to the mix.

Thanks for the feedback, for that is how we learn.
 
<!--quoteo(post=219075:date=Oct 26 2007, 08:43 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Oct 26 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]219075[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I just quickly scanned through these latest posts and as I have to get up very early tomorrow I'll just comment on the the two ideas that jumped out at me and that others also seem to like. I love that idea of Jack stepping onto another ship, for it will show that he has had practice at doing these things before he stepped onto that dock in the beginning of CotBP.
And the French pirate we pictured him running around with in search of Mayan treasure, it would be for more interesting if he did defeat the pirate in battle before joining up with him. Those are some good ideas jacarutu, you are a welcome addition to the thread. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbs1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":2up" border="0" alt="thumbs1.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now remember we dont want to milk it, we dont want to have a 3 hour movie, because that was one of the major turn offs for people who saw AWE. That battle between the French pirate could work if we kept it at or under 5 minutes. Remember the main centerpiece of the battles is the one with the Dutchman included, i think that should have a 10- 15 minute runtime. And we then later show the dutchman turning back taking on the tide all by herself. We will show her in battle for 2 minutes and 53 seconds, i played my version of the song on the piano and timed it. There are a few things to think about.

And does anyone think Murtogg and Mulroy would be in this movie, maybe as new recruits? Because i have tons of funny scenes planned for them. Also we should show Annamaria's boat being taken by Jack so she can have reason to slap him in COBP. And thats about it.

Lets begin work on the sailing to africa phase of the story. OH!! OH!! I just thought of a funny part for Murtogg and Mulroy. Lets have them guarding the training grounds at the tower of london, and Jack comes up trying to get into the armory to...ahem... procure a new sword because his other one is no good. But Murtogg and Mulroy block him. THen
"Why are you here when you could be elsewhere?" "Someone has to guard the gate," "Its better than cleaning the barracks," "Oh, so guarding the gate just standing here on a hot day couldnt be possibly worse than cleaning the shaded and cool barracks," "Yes, thats what i am saying," "So you dont mind sitting out here guarding the gate rather than not cleaning the cool barracks is that what you are saying?" "You have a problem with standing guard, its no even that hot our here!" "Quite to the contrary it is bloody hot out here," "Is not" "Is too," "It is not and you know it," "It IS to and YOU know THAT," By now Jack is sneaking past them into the castle. There can be our little wandering in London.
 
yeah, love that last idea mercer! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
I think the prequel's length should be similar to the other films. The other films are 2 hr 30 min, so the prequel should be as well. The CRITICS complain that the films are too long. But do the AUDIENCES complain? I sure as hell do NOT.

Murtogg and Mulroy could be in there. I missed them in DMC.

Jack stealing Annamaria's boat would occur shortly before the opening of CotBP. If we want to show this in the prequel, we should show what happened in those ten years Jack did not captain the Pearl. I really think we do not need to show this. Ending the film prior to Jack's voyage to Isla de Muerte and subsequent mutiny seems like a good idea to me. Really we know what happened from there on, so we don't need to show it. Same for Annamaria's boat being stolen: It is made clear that Jack did it. Why then show it as well?

Your scene sounds funny, but Jack's interaction with the two of them in CotBP suggests to me that they have never met before.
 
good point. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> maybe something for the sequel then.
 
<!--quoteo(post=219127:date=Oct 27 2007, 09:51 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 27 2007, 09:51 AM) [snapback]219127[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think the prequel's length should be similar to the other films. The other films are 2 hr 30 min, so the prequel should be as well. The CRITICS complain that the films are too long. But do the AUDIENCES complain? I sure as hell do NOT.

Murtogg and Mulroy could be in there. I missed them in DMC.

Jack stealing Annamaria's boat would occur shortly before the opening of CotBP. If we want to show this in the prequel, we should show what happened in those ten years Jack did not captain the Pearl. I really think we do not need to show this. Ending the film prior to Jack's voyage to Isla de Muerte and subsequent mutiny seems like a good idea to me. Really we know what happened from there on, so we don't need to show it. Same for Annamaria's boat being stolen: It is made clear that Jack did it. Why then show it as well?

Your scene sounds funny, but Jack's interaction with the two of them in CotBP suggests to me that they have never met before.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually they might have met, they just didnt recognize him without his EITC uniform.
 
Well, in addition to having never met, I had made Murtogg and Mullroy two marines with Norrington on his adventures in the Royal Navy.

I really think that during this prequel, the Revolution is being fought. That explains Norrington's absence along with the bulk of the Royal Navy squadrons based in the Caribbean. Because they're busy blockading the colonies and swatting at the annoying American privateers, the pirates are free to roam as they please and Beckett can carry out his expansion operations to bulk up his fleet. This way, the Americans could be in the sequel, for if the young nation was in its revolution, there would hardly be any chance of seeing them in the Caribbean... because the British blockade was strong and the Continental Navy didn't have any ships to spare in sending off to the Caribbean to roam with pirates. Granted, there were <i>some</i> American vessels in the Caribbean, but most of that was Commodore Barry's attack on Nassau.

So, this sets a date for out prequel... right around 1775 - 1776! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=219127:date=Oct 27 2007, 10:51 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 27 2007, 10:51 AM) [snapback]219127[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your scene sounds funny, but Jack's interaction with the two of them in CotBP suggests to me that they have never met before.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would tend to agree with that. Jack is a not a character you would forget meeting, in whatever uniform he may be wearing.
 
<!--quoteo(post=219110:date=Oct 27 2007, 10:16 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 27 2007, 10:16 AM) [snapback]219110[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Now remember we dont want to milk it, we dont want to have a 3 hour movie, because that was one of the major turn offs for people who saw AWE. That battle between the French pirate could work if we kept it at or under 5 minutes. Remember the main centerpiece of the battles is the one with the Dutchman included, i think that should have a 10- 15 minute runtime. And we then later show the dutchman turning back taking on the tide all by herself. We will show her in battle for 2 minutes and 53 seconds, i played my version of the song on the piano and timed it. There are a few things to think about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It could be a rather quick battle I think, no need to be a threat to the major battle at the end of the movie. And the Mayan treasure search doesn't have to be all that long.
 
<!--quoteo(post=219127:date=Oct 27 2007, 10:51 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 27 2007, 10:51 AM) [snapback]219127[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jack stealing Annamaria's boat would occur shortly before the opening of CotBP. If we want to show this in the prequel, we should show what happened in those ten years Jack did not captain the Pearl. I really think we do not need to show this. Ending the film prior to Jack's voyage to Isla de Muerte and subsequent mutiny seems like a good idea to me. Really we know what happened from there on, so we don't need to show it. Same for Annamaria's boat being stolen: It is made clear that Jack did it. Why then show it as well?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That would make for a good scene though, too bad there wasn't a way to skip speedily through those ten years. Or we could just put on the screen, "Ten years later" and have Jack ripping off her boat. I guess we'll have a better sense were we stand on an idea like that when we get nearer the end of the script.
 
Actually, we could add the stealing of Annamaria's boat as scene AFTER the end credits. Remember how all the films have a scene after the end credits? We would need to make it both short and funny though. Just showing Jack stealing a boat is a bit of a bummer. So perhaps we should show Annamaria running from the tavern, screaming "Oh no, you won't!" or something like that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />

As for the length of the various parts of the film, perhaps we should make a general layout of how much time we want to spend on each part of the film. Example:
- 00:10 - Opening (Jack enters the film + talk with Beckett)
- 00:15 - Voyage to Africa (Nathaniel Edwards befriending Jack + shipboard life)
- 00:05 - Capture of the villagers
- 00:05 - Voyage to the Caribbean - <b>35 min</b>
- 00:05 - (Accidental?) sacking of Nassau
- 00:10 - Jack meets French pirate (ship-to-ship battle with the heeling joke?)
- 00:10 - Search for information on Mayan treasure in Spanish town in Mexico
- 00:10 - Search for actual treasure in the jungles of Yucatan (Jack learns of Isla de Muerte at the Mayan pyramid)
- 00:05 - Some sort of fight between Mexican natives and Spanish soldiers - <b>40 min</b>
- 00:15 - Voyage to Indonesia
- 00:15 - Jack messing up things between EITC and VOC
- 00:10 - Storming of Batavia
- 00:10 - Burning of the Wench + deal with Davy Jones - <b>50 min</b>
- 00:20 - Escape sea battle
- 00:05 - Jack at Tortuga hiring Barbossa/Bootstrap
- 00:10 - End Credits
- 00:02 - Jack stealing Annamaria's boat - <b>37 min</b>
TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 2 hr 42 min

CotBP: 2 hr 23 min
DMC: 2 hr 30 min
AWE: 2 hr 48 min

I like that just over half an hour into the film, Jack is already a pirate. Then we have 40 minutes of Jack pirating at random, then he goes to Indonesia to mess things up for 50 minutes (it's a longer voyage and we must make it clear that Jack causes things that Beckett REALLY isn't pleased with. Not to mention there is a siege of a town in there) and then we have a 25 minute finale, excluding the end credits. Sounds about reasonable, doesn't it? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Also there's plenty of action scenes in there:
1) Capture of the villagers
2) Jack's meeting with the French pirate in a small but funny ship-to-ship battle (should be a nice swordfight here. Perhaps a duel between Jack and the French captain)
3) Fight between the Mexican natives and Spanish soldiers (muskets vs arrows)
4) Storming of Batavia (using big guns)
5) Final ship-to-ship battle (lots of ship cannon fire!)

I think those action scenes are pretty varying in setting and style to make them all worthwhile to put in. Also there's still plenty of time left for character development, story development, showing shipboard life and showcasing the locations. Any thoughts?
 
Actually, we could add the stealing of Annamaria's boat as scene AFTER the end credits. Remember how all the films have a scene after the end credits? We would need to make it both short and funny though. Just showing Jack stealing a boat is a bit of a bummer. So perhaps we should show Annamaria running from the tavern, screaming "Oh no, you won't!" or something like that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />

As for the length of the various parts of the film, perhaps we should make a general layout of how much time we want to spend on each part of the film. Example:
- 00:12 - Opening (Jack enters the film + talk with Beckett) ***
- 00:17 - Voyage to Africa (Nathaniel Edwards befriending Jack + shipboard life) ***
- 00:05 - Capture of the villagers
- 00:05 - Voyage to the Caribbean - <b>35 min</b>
- 00:05 - (Accidental?) sacking of Nassau
- 00:10 - Jack meets French pirate (ship-to-ship battle with the heeling joke?)
- 00:10 - Search for information on Mayan treasure in Spanish town in Mexico <i>Taken out in my part</i>
- 00:10 - Search for actual treasure in the jungles of Yucatan (Jack learns of Isla de Muerte at the Mayan pyramid)
- 00:07 - Some sort of fight between Spanish soldiers - <b>40 min</b> ******
- 00:10 - Voyage to Indonesia
- 00:15 - Jack messing up things between EITC and VOC
- 00:10 - Storming of Batavia *******
- 00:12 - Burning of the Wench + deal with Davy Jones - <b>50 min</b> ******
- 00:22 - Escape sea battle ****
- 00:04 - Jack at Tortuga hiring Barbossa/Bootstrap *****
- 00:07 - <i>They find the treasure at Isla de Muerte the first time</i> *******
- 00:10 - End Credits
- 00:02 - Jack stealing Annamaria's boat - <b>37 min</b>
TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 2 hr 42 min

CotBP: 2 hr 23 min
DMC: 2 hr 30 min
AWE: 2 hr 48 min

I like that just over half an hour into the film, Jack is already a pirate. Then we have 40 minutes of Jack pirating at random, then he goes to Indonesia to mess things up for 50 minutes (it's a longer voyage and we must make it clear that Jack causes things that Beckett REALLY isn't pleased with. Not to mention there is a siege of a town in there) and then we have a 25 minute finale, excluding the end credits. Sounds about reasonable, doesn't it? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Also there's plenty of action scenes in there:
1) Capture of the villagers
2) Jack's meeting with the French pirate in a small but funny ship-to-ship battle (should be a nice swordfight here. Perhaps a duel between Jack and the French captain)
3) Fight between the Mexican natives and Spanish soldiers (muskets vs arrows)
4) Storming of Batavia (using big guns)
5) Final ship-to-ship battle (lots of ship cannon fire!)


Okay, hmmmmm..... Thats longer than expected. Lets do a hybrid of the Mexico scene and the Yucatan, lets have them find out IN the yucatan that there is a treasure, fight there and shave off five minutes that can be put elsewhere maybe 3 more on the storming of Batavia, and two more onto the final battle to facilitate my Jones- turning -back- to- fight- them -all part. And we need to approach the treasure thing cautiously we dont want to make Pirates of the Caribbean: The quest of Indiana Jones. I think we should just have Jack hear of the treasure from the frenchy, then the French captain is killed while trying to capture another Spanish galleon because two more approach and bludgeon his ship into pieces. Then Jack hears at a tavern the legend of the treasure of the Isla de Muerte. It is far greater than anything before. You know legends and such. That would save him going through the rainforest though i do like the idea of him finding out about the Isla de Muerte.

I revised the chart to what i am thinking, i just want to see what you guys think about this. I put stars by the things that i added to.
 
Could you please modify your post? It now looks like you are saying what you quoted from me. Looks odd.
 
First of all, there is no point in pinning down the exact times right now. It is just meant as a general indication. The actual times will only be defined after the film is shot and it's being edited in the editing room. Still it is worthwhile to establish how much time we would want to spend on any given part of the film. This would help in deciding how many scenes we should add and how long they would play.

My idea with my Mexico/Yucatan thing is this:

Jack ends up in a ship-to-ship battle between the Wicked Wench and a much larger ship commanded by the French pirate (name?). Jack then orders the firing of the cannons on the wrong side, the ship heels over and Jack steps from the Wench's yardarm onto the deck of the other ship. Jack goes to challenge the French captain to a duel, while the Wench's crew board the French ship. After a spectacular swordfight between Jack and the French captain, with the Wench's crew fighting the French crew in the background, Jack wins the duel. Rather than killing the captain, the two of them decide to work together. The French has heard of a lost Mayan treasure and they both want to find it.

First they have to go to Mexico. They make port in a Spanish town. I want to show a Spanish town just because it looks nice. There they find out more information, possibly a map, about the treasure they seek in the tavern, church or library. Then they go into the jungle with the map and find the Mayan pyramid. Inside they learn that the gold coins are no longer there, because they were stolen by Cortez. Dead end. Returning to their ships, they are attacked by either Spanish soldiers or indians, but they manage to get away. Not sure if the Spanish or the indians should be friendly to Jack. In any case: There will be a fight here that gives Jack the idea to cause mayhem for the EITC. Now that they can't find the treasure, he decides to go do something else and sets sail for Indonesia. The French captain thinks this is sheer folly and they part their ways. Perhaps this character can return in the AWE sequel. Or perhaps it is actually Armand the Corsair, one of the pirate lords.

I wouldn't actually mind it if the Mexico jungle/temple part would be somewhat similar to Indiana Jones. I like Indiana Jones. That being said, Mayan treasure goes very well with pirates as well. Especially when they use a treasure map. In any case: It would be an interesting thing to add halfway into the film. The audience shouldn't get bored, so we want to show them a lot of interesting stuff. A short treasure hunt would certainly be very piratey and would add some interest to an otherwise possibly boring middle part of the film. I think the whole "treasure hunt with French pirate" part of the film should play about 30 minutes, so that's not too long. It will explain how Jack learned the ropes of piracy and will also explain why Jack has such an interest in the Isla de Muerte treasure: He wanted to find it earlier, but couldn't because it was stolen. Later he finds out he can use his compass to lead him there.
 
I like François Gravier. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
Artois Voysey! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
 
Yes. VERY good captain, that one! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
 
he never was a captain. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> seriously now, it would be funny if they would accept that name, not knowing where we got it from. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
Hah! Good on Morgan! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />

Pieter, i just post things like that to mix things up a bit, just so people will say after seeing things like that "Hey, what if..." Thats what we need, sometimes when you guys post different things, i am like wait what if we.... See? thats what we need people to think out of the box.

And Pieter, did i ever say i didnt like your script or your time sheet? No, i didnt i would never say, "Well, thats got to be the stupidest idea i have ever heard of," because you have NEVER come up with stupid ideas. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> No idea is stupid, the stupid idea is the one that is not mentioned.

And i love Indiana Jones, so i am just making that point. K? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
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