<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It is interesting that Jack wasn't really the focal point of the first movie, but I think he kinda became it in the sequels. The first movie opened up with Elizabeth and then Will and Jack of course doesn't make his odd entrance until later so I do agree with Pieter on that assessment.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->According to Ted and Terry he isn't even the main character of the sequels. But I can see why anyone would think he is. After all: The whole thing started because of HIS deal with Davy Jones.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your Norrington/Sparrow angle is an interesting one. Norrington however didn't know who Jack was until he looked at his arm and saw the tattoo (of course he had heard of Jack because all he needed to see was that tattoo to state his full name) "Jack Sparrow isn't it?" So its obvious then that they cannot meet at all in any prequel.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's what I said, isn't it? Jack greatly influences Norrington's carreer, but neither Jack nor Norrington is aware of it. That adds the irony when Norrington want to kill Jack in PotC 1: He owes Jack a great deal, but doesn't know it. But neither does Jack. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is an interesting analysis of Jack and his father. I almost get the sense that his father was inserted into the movie at the last minute because someone thought it would be cool to have Keith Richards be his father. It is hard to go the respectable route for Jack early in his career if his father was a pirate, unless he never knew his father growing up like Will Turner never knew his.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think they did intend to put him in there, but they also wanted to make it a part that could be easily replaced if Keith Richards wouldn't want to do it.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And I agree with having Jack not seem as daffy earlier in his life. I have always like the idea that Jack's personality, while a bit quirky, was toned down quite a bit when he was younger. I would like to think that when he was marooned by Barbossa that that was when he noticeably became a bit off, like his personality was amplified after that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I would really like to see Jack originally being smart, but a bit gullible, and over the course of the film see him learning that he mustn't be so nice and trusting of people.
I also had the idea of ending the film with Jack finding out about the treasure of Isla de Muerte and the last thing we see in the film is Jack hiring Barbossa to go and collect the treasure. We all know what happens afterwards, so we don't need to show that. The next film should be CotBP. So people watching the films in order will only find out about the whole mutiny thing halway into CotBP. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Evil or just plain ambitious and greedy? After all, you can't call him evil if he wants to eradicate piracy. Many rulers have tried to do that since the days when Greece ruled the Mediterranean Sea. Although he is definitely the antagonist in the film.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Exactly. We must show why Beckett is a bad guy and may not win. Otherwise people might think that Beckett is not such a bad guy. After all, he only wants to rid the world of piracy and make money. Is that such a bad thing? We must show that: yes, that is a bad thing! At least the way Beckett is going about it.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jack is suprised to see that the curse is real, but he did know of the curse and probably took it seriously. It is interesting to note that Jack's surprise at the curse being real meant that he has had no contact or even seen Barbossa or the Black Pearle since he was marooned, which leads to the obvious question of what he has been doing since then.
I agree though to tamp down on the supernatural, though it should be taken as a matter of fact since it exists so prominently in their world.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would like the prequel to start out in a world that is seemingly normal where people are just as surprised of the supernatural as you or I would be. I think the supernatural should be considered myths in that world, just like in our own, but in the case of the PotC world, some of these myths actually turn out to be true. So I don't think the it should be taken as a matter of fact at all. At least not at the beginning of the prequel. Ideally we would only drop some hints in the prequel, but only go all-out on the supernatural in CotBP with the skeletons. Then as the movies progress, the main characters become accustomed to the supernatural and it can be taken matter-of-factly in the last films. But there must have been a time when Jack Sparrow thought the world was normal and there was no supernatural, so that's where I want to start out from.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lots of ideas there. You want to believe that deep down Jack is a good guy at heart, though his actions in the second movie contradict that a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I personally want Jack to start out as a good man and progressively hide his goodness from the rest of the world, but <i>especially</i> from himself. After he becomes a pirate, he doesn't WANT to be a good man anymore and does his very best not to be. But as seen during the films, Jack will always make the right choice when it's really imporant. For example at the end of DMC when he rows away during the Kraken attack, but returns. Jack rowing away is the Jack who doesn't want to be a good man. Jack returning is the Jack who simply can't help it.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If Jack makes the deal with Jones then I think we cannot ignore Jones all that much. He does become integral to the story from that moment. Jack probably took Jones seriously, its just that he wants the Wench back and that desire outweighs whatever reservations he has about Jones. This can be open to debate though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm not talking about ignoring Davy Jones. I mean not showing him too much in the film, especially not in an overly squid-like form. This so that we still leave that surprise for DMC. Instead I would like to have much of the Davy Jones story told as if it were only a myth in the prequel until Jack actually meets Davy. Nice to add would again be conflicting versions of the myths, so that Jack does not know what to believe and what not. It would also be nice to add some myths that DON'T turn out to be true. After all: If all myths turn out to be true, there will be no myths left. So the backstory of Davy could be told partly be random sailors (Mr. Gibbs?), partly by Tia Dalma and partly by Davy himself when Jack finally meets him.
It seems that a lot of my ideas are based on the notion of NOT showing EVERYTHING in the prequel. If we show a lot of supernatural in the prequel, it is no longer a surprise in CotBP. If we show the mutiny in the prequel, we are no longer left wondering why we meet Jack in CotBP the way we do. If we show Davy Jones and the Flying Dutchman in their DMC form in the prequel, one of the main assets of DMC is lost. If we show Singapore in the prequel, it again is no longer a surprise in AWE. What I'm trying to say is: We should try to come up with a story that does not decrease the effectiveness and surprises of the existing PotC films.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your Norrington/Sparrow angle is an interesting one. Norrington however didn't know who Jack was until he looked at his arm and saw the tattoo (of course he had heard of Jack because all he needed to see was that tattoo to state his full name) "Jack Sparrow isn't it?" So its obvious then that they cannot meet at all in any prequel.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's what I said, isn't it? Jack greatly influences Norrington's carreer, but neither Jack nor Norrington is aware of it. That adds the irony when Norrington want to kill Jack in PotC 1: He owes Jack a great deal, but doesn't know it. But neither does Jack. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is an interesting analysis of Jack and his father. I almost get the sense that his father was inserted into the movie at the last minute because someone thought it would be cool to have Keith Richards be his father. It is hard to go the respectable route for Jack early in his career if his father was a pirate, unless he never knew his father growing up like Will Turner never knew his.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think they did intend to put him in there, but they also wanted to make it a part that could be easily replaced if Keith Richards wouldn't want to do it.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And I agree with having Jack not seem as daffy earlier in his life. I have always like the idea that Jack's personality, while a bit quirky, was toned down quite a bit when he was younger. I would like to think that when he was marooned by Barbossa that that was when he noticeably became a bit off, like his personality was amplified after that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I would really like to see Jack originally being smart, but a bit gullible, and over the course of the film see him learning that he mustn't be so nice and trusting of people.
I also had the idea of ending the film with Jack finding out about the treasure of Isla de Muerte and the last thing we see in the film is Jack hiring Barbossa to go and collect the treasure. We all know what happens afterwards, so we don't need to show that. The next film should be CotBP. So people watching the films in order will only find out about the whole mutiny thing halway into CotBP. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Evil or just plain ambitious and greedy? After all, you can't call him evil if he wants to eradicate piracy. Many rulers have tried to do that since the days when Greece ruled the Mediterranean Sea. Although he is definitely the antagonist in the film.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Exactly. We must show why Beckett is a bad guy and may not win. Otherwise people might think that Beckett is not such a bad guy. After all, he only wants to rid the world of piracy and make money. Is that such a bad thing? We must show that: yes, that is a bad thing! At least the way Beckett is going about it.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jack is suprised to see that the curse is real, but he did know of the curse and probably took it seriously. It is interesting to note that Jack's surprise at the curse being real meant that he has had no contact or even seen Barbossa or the Black Pearle since he was marooned, which leads to the obvious question of what he has been doing since then.
I agree though to tamp down on the supernatural, though it should be taken as a matter of fact since it exists so prominently in their world.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would like the prequel to start out in a world that is seemingly normal where people are just as surprised of the supernatural as you or I would be. I think the supernatural should be considered myths in that world, just like in our own, but in the case of the PotC world, some of these myths actually turn out to be true. So I don't think the it should be taken as a matter of fact at all. At least not at the beginning of the prequel. Ideally we would only drop some hints in the prequel, but only go all-out on the supernatural in CotBP with the skeletons. Then as the movies progress, the main characters become accustomed to the supernatural and it can be taken matter-of-factly in the last films. But there must have been a time when Jack Sparrow thought the world was normal and there was no supernatural, so that's where I want to start out from.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lots of ideas there. You want to believe that deep down Jack is a good guy at heart, though his actions in the second movie contradict that a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I personally want Jack to start out as a good man and progressively hide his goodness from the rest of the world, but <i>especially</i> from himself. After he becomes a pirate, he doesn't WANT to be a good man anymore and does his very best not to be. But as seen during the films, Jack will always make the right choice when it's really imporant. For example at the end of DMC when he rows away during the Kraken attack, but returns. Jack rowing away is the Jack who doesn't want to be a good man. Jack returning is the Jack who simply can't help it.
<!--quoteo(post=213936:date=Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Sep 9 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]213936[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If Jack makes the deal with Jones then I think we cannot ignore Jones all that much. He does become integral to the story from that moment. Jack probably took Jones seriously, its just that he wants the Wench back and that desire outweighs whatever reservations he has about Jones. This can be open to debate though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm not talking about ignoring Davy Jones. I mean not showing him too much in the film, especially not in an overly squid-like form. This so that we still leave that surprise for DMC. Instead I would like to have much of the Davy Jones story told as if it were only a myth in the prequel until Jack actually meets Davy. Nice to add would again be conflicting versions of the myths, so that Jack does not know what to believe and what not. It would also be nice to add some myths that DON'T turn out to be true. After all: If all myths turn out to be true, there will be no myths left. So the backstory of Davy could be told partly be random sailors (Mr. Gibbs?), partly by Tia Dalma and partly by Davy himself when Jack finally meets him.
It seems that a lot of my ideas are based on the notion of NOT showing EVERYTHING in the prequel. If we show a lot of supernatural in the prequel, it is no longer a surprise in CotBP. If we show the mutiny in the prequel, we are no longer left wondering why we meet Jack in CotBP the way we do. If we show Davy Jones and the Flying Dutchman in their DMC form in the prequel, one of the main assets of DMC is lost. If we show Singapore in the prequel, it again is no longer a surprise in AWE. What I'm trying to say is: We should try to come up with a story that does not decrease the effectiveness and surprises of the existing PotC films.