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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

Commodore, Commodore, Commodore; we OWE it to the fans to have a big sea battle, look heres how i see it. There are going to be no CGI animations because you guys wanted to save that for COBP and DMC, and no big sword fight because DMC already has that. So what are we going to do?! The audience needs almost nonstop visual effects stimulation to enjoy the movie. Also AWE does not have a big battle in the way i am thinking of it, they have a big VISUAL EFFECTS battle, i want a battle with a large number of ships. Not some little skirmish between 2-5 ships. We should start on a high note battle-wise, it gets lower to make way for other embellishments in COBP DMC and AWE, and in AWE it is another high note. You have to balance things, no CGI? No big sword fight? Well, the only route that is left is a big battle. Do you understand what i am trying to put on the table, Commodore?
 
I agree, Mercer. We do need a reason to give too people to see the prequel. I understand the argument that we don't want to upstage AWE with a prequel for those who may want to watch the movies in chronological order, but that doesn't mean that we can't have some great sea battles and sword fights in this movie as well. After all, it is in the end, as the series was intended to be, a swashbuckling pirate movie. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel_pa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ixi" border="0" alt="duel_pa.gif" />
And I would vote for London as well. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
I like the sound of a battle, just not a titanic fleet to fleet battle... that should be saved for an AWE sequel that finishes the war started in AWE.
But a squadron to squadron battle? YES! That could be up around 20 ships total. It would be large, fun, and foreshadow what is to come in the future. Besides, everyone has to start somewhere... and Beckett wouldn't have a massive fleet right from the get-go. The fleet seen in AWE would be the fruits of his life.

London and the nearby coasts is without a doubt the opening scene.

Any suggestions on color schemes and what they should mean?
So far, golds, greens, and brights have been used by TCotBP, DMC, and AWE.
Other themes: blues, reds, greys, browns. Master and Commander used the greys pretty well and Hornblower used the blues, if that gives you an idea as to how much of a certain color would be seen in the film.

It may sound completely unimportant to you, may not seem to make any sense, but if I can get a color theme and mood to shoot for, I can formulate the air of the movie and how its plot should turn out.
 
WARNING! I've been thinking quite a bit on what would be nice for the prequel, so there are a lot of random ideas coming! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

<b>Opening scene:</b>
I thought up another option for the opening scene. The current opening scene will then feature in the film somewhat later. How do you NOT expect a PotC film to start? With a shot of a waving grass on land, of course. Which is what we could show as first shot of the film. The film starts at the English countryside to establish the country and also possibly to introduce us to a character. We then move to the English shore where Mercer and midshipman Norrington (or some other EITC/navy officials) look through their spyglass and spot the Wicked Wench approaching in the sunrise. There can then be a conversation between the two of them commenting on the ship and/or the ship's captain. The name of the captain should not be mentioned here though so that the revelation of Jack Sparrow as EITC captain is even more surprising. We then move on with the opening scene as already established with the revelation of Jack Sparrow as EITC captain aboard the Wicked Wench.

I like Commodore John Paul Jones' idea of having Jack sail the Wicked Wench of the Thames river and using that time to introduce us to his main crew members.

<b>Prisoners vs Slaves:</b>
Lets weight these two options against each other, trying to decide which would be best. Personally I would still opt for the slaves for several reasons. The reason for the prisoners would be because slaves would be too controversial. But I don't see what is controversial about it, provided that we show in the film that slavery is bad, which we do through Jack Sparrow's good deed. Also: Slaves are bound to get the sympathy of the audience because slavery is bad.

On the other hand with prisoners the audience will assume that they deserve to be prisoners because they'll have done something wrong. Therefore the prisoners would not get the sympathy of the audience. To gain the sympathy of the audience after all, we would need to explain why these people do not deserve to be prisoners to the audience, which would require screentime which would not be nescessary with the slaves.

There are things in the PotC films that you would never expect to see in a Disney film. How about Johnny Depp's weird performance? Or the prisoner getting his eyes picked out by a raven in the opening scene of DMC? Or the religious guy in DMC that is brutally slaughtered by Davy Jones? Or the mass-hangings during the opening scene of AWE where women and even a child are hung. Obviously there already is quite some controversial stuff in the PotC films and Disney allows it to happen because they know PotC is successful and they know taking the risk will pay off.

Also what I suggested before: Jack Sparrow first meets those slaves living peacefully in Ivory Coast in their own village, but then witnesses them being captured. We can then show Jack's ambiguity by having Jack flee for his life instead of valiantly trying to save these people. Next time Jack sees these people, it is at the dock of the African town and he is charged with transporting them to the Caribbean. We don't actually need to state that they are slaves though. We just see them being captured first, then we see them being at the dock to be transported. The audience can then make up their own minds on whether they're slaves or prisoners. In any case: This will explain Jack's sympathy for these people and explain why he will later set them free.

Tia Dalma can be among the villagers. Of course, in the case of Tia Dalma, I think she lets herself be captured on purpose and that she could have evaded being captured just as easily. However, she wants to use Jack for some mysterious purpose, but for that she needs Jack and her to go to the Caribbean. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

<b>The ship-to-ship battle:</b>
For a good ship-to-ship battle you don't just need to have nice visual effects. You also need to have a good side and a bad side. The audience must be rooting for someone to win. With Mercer's suggestion of Davy Jones sinking an EITC fleet, the audience does not care about either Davy Jones or the EITC winning. Jack is indebted to Davy Jones, so both Jack and the audience with him will rather be rid of him. But the EITC are bad guys as well, so the audience doesn't want them to win either. Basically it would just be a diversion for Jack Sparrow to escape. We <i>can</i> put this in the film, but it doesn't really make sense to show it up close. We could show it from afar while Jack escapes. If we <i>would</i> show it up close, it would just be visual effects and spectacle just for the sake of having visual effects and spectacle without it actually contributing anything to the story. And the audience won't care about who wins anyway... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

I still think we should leave the REAL amazing ship-to-ship battle for the sequel to AWE. Although we can give a small taster in the prequel.

<b>Jack's First Officer:</b>
We need new characters in the film, so I thought up the character of Jack's First Officer. This character would be the second in command aboard the Wicked Wench. Just for reference's sake, let's assume this character is called "Thomas Norton". We can change this name later.

Mr. Norton is a loyal British EITC officer. He joins Jack's crew for the voyage to Ivory Coast to pick up the slaves. During this voyage, the two become friends. However, Jack cannot divulge his secret orders to his First Officer, even though Thomas occasionally asks about them. Of course Jack doesn't fully know what his orders are until he is charged with the slave transport either. During the voyage from Africa to the Caribbean, Jack talks to Thomas about the task he's been given and Thomas has the opinion that Jack should just do what he's been told and deliver the slaves. Imagine the following scene in which Jack has decided what to do:

Jack is making the pirate flag with the red sparrow on it, when his First Officer Mr. Norton knocks on the door.
Jack Sparrow: "Enter, Mr. Norton."
Thomas Norton: "What are you doing, Jack?"
Jack Sparrow, hiding the flag quickly behind his back: "Nothing."
Thomas Norton: "I know you better than that, Jack. What is that behind your back?"
Norton sees the pirate flag
Thomas Norton: "It seems that you have made up your mind then. I cannot follow where you are going."
Jack Sparrow: "MEN! Lock him in the brig!"
Jack Sparrow, to Mr. Norton: "I am sorry it has to be this way, Thomas. I truly am."

Jack then sets the slaves free and goes to Nassau, where he allows Thomas to go. Thomas then witnesses Jack's sacking of the town, however this would play out. Perhaps Thomas told the port authorities a pirate is currently in town, hopeing that Jack would be arrested. Instead this ends up in mayhem culminating in Jack sacking the town. Jack then goes to Indonesia in search of something or to do something. In the meantime Thomas Norton contacts the EITC authorities and he is charged with capturing Jack Sparrow. This will end up with Jack and Norton becoming sworn enemies. After Jack returns to the Indonesian shore from further inland, he sees the Wicked Wench burning and sinking and Thomas Norton is there on the shore:

Jack Sparrow: "NO! Not you! What have you done??"
Thomas Norton: "MEN! GET HIM!"
EITC soldiers rush out from everywhere to capture Jack.

Eventually there can then be a ship-to-ship battle between Thomas Norton's ship and Jack Sparrow's Black Pearl. Jack wins the battle and Norton gets killed either directly or indirectly by Jack Sparrow. It is clear that Jack is very sorry that things happened the way they did and that his one-time good friend Thomas Norton had to die.

<b>Voyage Length:</b>
It seems in the current PotC films most of the times ship voyages seem like they occur just about instantly. So I would like to take a step back from that and actually show some of the many sea voyages in the prequel, add some scenes of shipboard life under EITC captain Jack and pirate Jack. Show the audience what Jack-the-captain is like. Try and put a somewhat new spin on the shipboard events, such as doldrums, unrest among the crew, shortage of food/water/rum. How does Jack deal with these kind of things? That way when we have the "instant" voyages in the other PotC films, we have already shown an extended voyage in the prequel, so we can argue that the reason for the voyages feeling so short in the other films is because we've already shown the "real" length of the voyage in the prequel so we don't need to do it again.

<b>Pacing:</b>
I would like to make this film somewhat slower and more old-fashioned in a way. The current PotC films are really modern with a lot of spectacle and hardly a moment for the audience to relax. I would like to take the speed in the prequel down just a little notch. I want to show some off some of the amazing environments we encounter in the film with nice wide shots with vibrant colours. A bit similar to the shot of Tortuga at the end of AWE, only longer and more frequently. This to give the audience the time and opportunity to be wowed just by the environment alone.

This idea popped into my head during the viewing of a film called Congo. It is just a fun advanture film, nothing more, nothing less and far from being brilliant. But the film has got two added plus-points: The music by Jerry Goldsmith is brilliant (as usual) and, more important for us, the nature-shots are nothing short of aweinspiring. I want to have the same feeling in the PotC prequel: that the nature itself is one of the main assets of the film. But in this case it should be joined with a great story, great acting and excellent action scenes.

<b>Colour of the film:</b>
I agree with Commodore John Paul Jones that the colour of the film is very important. Personally what I want is to have the colours very vibrant and beautiful: the greens really green, the blues really blue. This in contrast with the somewhat dark and grayish tones that seem so apparent in modern films. This would mean that I would suggest having most scenes play out in full daylight, rather than in the night. Personally I would even like to show the opening scene in England in beautiful vibrant colours, but I think I have to agree with the Commodore that having this particular scene feel somewhat damp and foggy would be a strong visual idea.
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still think we should leave the REAL amazing ship-to-ship battle for the sequel to AWE. Although we can give a small taster in the prequel.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jack is indebted to Davy Jones, so both Jack and the audience with him will rather be rid of him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if we really made them more of a pair of friends? Jack makes a deal with Jones, but it would be like Will making the deal after saving Jack... "Sorry friend, but its the only way." This would highten the drama and shock of Jones in DMC. Then it would really have the audience rooting for a side, but wondering how they got on bad terms. Its an Anakin and Obi-Wan sort of thing.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Personally what I want is to have the colours very vibrant and beautiful: the greens really green, the blues really blue. This in contrast with the somewhat dark and grayish tones that seem so apparent in modern films.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I like it! Very sharp, vibrant, and rich colors would give us the exotic feel of the movie and really show what world was left behind when everything went bad. Kudos Pieter!

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jack Sparrow first meets those slaves living peacefully in Ivory Coast in their own village, but then witnesses them being captured. We can then show Jack's ambiguity by having Jack flee for his life instead of valiantly trying to save these people. Next time Jack sees these people, it is at the dock of the African town and he is charged with transporting them to the Caribbean. We don't actually need to state that they are slaves though. We just see them being captured first, then we see them being at the dock to be transported.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's my take on the scene: Jack is told that a "cargo" awaits him in a certain village and is given an "order form" by Beckett. Mercer accompanies Jack ashore as they walk into the village. Jack proceeds to try and talk to the chief when Merces shoves Jack aside and asks why he's talking to the man. Jack explains that they have a cargo they need, but is told that the people are in fact the cargo. Jack watches, frozen in horror, as mercer rounds up his crew and orders the village plundered and the people chained up.
When Mercer has returned aboard the <i>Endeavor</i>, Jack makes the decision to free them. This is the battle that people would root for: the <i>Black Pearl</i> making a run for it out of the formation, guns blazing and the EIC in hot pursuit... because Jack is trying to help innocent people and save lives.
 
Okay, Pieter i have been brainstorming on what you said about the battle between Jones and EIC not making sense, i see that now. So i now propose that we STILL have that battle between Jones and EIC, but...to show it up close maybe Beckett would have ordered a fleet back from to new world to refit, and that fleet just so happens to block Jacks escape so it cannot be shown from afar. In my script idea, Jones and Sparrow are pretty good friends.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> Also Pieter you said everyone would want to be rid of jones, are you incurring that it will be tentacly jones or human jones, because in my plans Jones is human throughout the ENTIRE prequel series.

Pieter, i respect your views so dont think i am being critical to you. I just absolutely HATE those movies when there could be this BIG HUGE BATTLE, and oh there is a 2 minute clip of it, and then it is shown from afar. I WANT A BIG BATTLE. The pirates of the caribbean battles (most of them atleast) are little snippets of what they could be. People like big visual effects, and so far i have heard nothing from any of you battle wise that will be using lots of visual effects.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> Please listen to this! A movie in this genre is a balancing act. You have to balance visual effects, cgi animation, storyline, and real action (sword fights).
This movie will be a disappointment in my eyes if we let it go with out beefing it up with visual effects. Look, in COBP, DMC, AWE those had almost even elements of sea battles, cgi animation, and everything else. You guys are proposing that we have: NO CGI ANIMATION, NO HUGE SWORD FIGHTS, AND NO LARGE SHIP BATTLES. Then what the hell are we supposed to have?! With out those, this is a mild movie, and POTC movies have built up a reputation to NOT be mild movies. Everyone tell me that you understand this, tell me this. I hate seeing those TV comercials for movies that show all of this action and stuff, then when i go and see it, there's a 15 minute segment of action, and the rest is crap. WE ARE NOT MAKING A DOCUMENTARY HERE, GENTLEMEN! Of course! we are just showing what happened before the COBP. But we must go about this the POTC way! YAAAAY!

Again people like visual effects, and Disney likes paying people. People are going to say to their friends "Oh, that Pirates Prequel? Yah, it sucked there was almost no action just talking and stuff." I dont want to be responsible for a movie like that

Commodore, I love your idea for the Mercer raiding the village idea, LOVE IT! Again, i have been preaching this for a while Jones and Jack should be friends for the reason to create a greater shock in DMC. Good plan to have the Wench sail up the Thames.

Pieter, GREAT idea for the opening scene. I agree about the slave thing, you have my support. I like the colors idea could we possible have some gold in there somewhere, i'll even go for silver. Pieter, No, no man, Zimmer is making the music, no comprimises. He is the best musician i have ever seen.

Hey, you guys know how COBp opens in fog, DMC opens in stormy weather, and AWE opens with a hanging? Well we are now required to have openins scene depicting the beautiful English countryside with vibrant colors.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> Quote Commodore John Paul Jones "But a squadron to squadron battle? YES! That could be up around 20 ships total" Okay, make it 27 EIC frigate to ship of the line sized ships against the Wench and Dutchman (more over just the dutchman shielding the Wench to allow her to escape) and you have an accord. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> Once the Wench escapes the dutchman will continue to destroy the fleet, but we will see most of that from afar, there Pieter your efforts have helped me create this thanks pal! But lets take a good bit of time to have Jones escort the Wench out of harms way. Him and Sparrow being friends, Jones sends some of his crew to the Wench to help man the guns and sails. Either way i think the Dutchman is a great ship especially without the sea weed and crap all over it, Jones is human, so his ship is real looking. Those triple guns are cool too, and i just like to see the dutchman in a battle.
 
Do you guys have any reference clips from POTC AWE? If not here are some for battles, and just good parts of the movie. NOTE: They are from Youtube, but they are still pretty good.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-pWypr9NwM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-pWypr9NwM</a> This is one that shows becketts death.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mXmdttK5Ws" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mXmdttK5Ws</a> Commodore this one might be painful for you, it is showing Norringtons death.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x4gcFpfXNQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x4gcFpfXNQ</a> This is the Calypso and Jones dungeon scene so you can refresh your memory on what he looks like in human form.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYDoVIMaQUY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYDoVIMaQUY</a> This is the Singapore battle, Mercer is so scary <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> . I love the midget pirate with the big gun HAHAHA!!!!!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yf8_M_iMgk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yf8_M_iMgk</a> Parlay? I think sparrow is so funny with those expressions.


Okay guys just thought it would be nice to post these, you might already have them, but what the heck?
 
yep, seen all of those clips already. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />

wouldn't 27 vs. 2 be a bit too impossible odds, even for the pearl and dutchman? in the game for instance, i can fight 12 or 15 ships, but then my ship's pretty much pulp, although still floating. and that's not even realistic. maybe there should be a different circumstance that helps them win, like the ships getting in each other's fireing range?
 
[attachment=1156:000503676923.jpg]<!--quoteo(post=214371:date=Sep 15 2007, 09:05 AM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Sep 15 2007, 09:05 AM) [snapback]214371[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->yep, seen all of those clips already. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />

wouldn't 27 vs. 2 be a bit too impossible odds, even for the pearl and dutchman? in the game for instance, i can fight 12 or 15 ships, but then my ship's pretty much pulp, although still floating. and that's not even realistic. maybe there should be a different circumstance that helps them win, like the ships getting in each other's fireing range?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Firstly the dutchman cannot be defeated in battle, secondly the dutchman is not "fighting" them per se, the dutchman is helping the pearl escape in the process firing at ships she passes, then when the pearl escapes Jones orders a hard to starboard and throws his ship back into the fight, and this will be seen for about 2 minutes up close, and then it will be seen from a distance as the pearl is retreating. All the dutchman crew has to do is board another ship and that ship is screwed, because they are being attacked by an immortal crew. Either way you cut the cheese, the dutchman will come out on top. I think that idea of other ships firing ranges might work, maybe the dutchman being soooo manuverable dodges most of the shot from some volleys.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/william.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":will" border="0" alt="william.gif" /> Look do you remember that part from AWE when the dutchman is destroying pirate ships for beckett, where the picture above comes into play? First WHERE CAN I FIND THAT CLIP, secondly the dutchman is taking on roughly 6-9 give or take a little. One against possibly 9? I am pretty sure the dutchman could handle any fight on her own. And to top all of it off, Jones is a master tactician. Also morgan, the game is quite different than the movies, i have tried to re-enact parts of the pirate movies, but my ship usually ends up pulp, the game is not realistic, and shouldnt be taken into account for the script, i do under stand what you are saying though.
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think that idea of other ships firing ranges might work, maybe the dutchman being soooo manuverable dodges most of the shot from some volleys.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They’re called broadsides mate. Volleys refer to musketry. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Unlike the ships in the pic above (which are really, really fake looking.), the ships of the EIC Armed Escort Fleet would be heavier frigates, seventy-fours, and a few first rates… not the average frigate and brigantine seen in the pic above. I already think that 2v20 is extremely steep; Trafalgar was a lopsided battle at 29v33. What if we used agility over strength? We’d have one or two frigates fast enough to give chase after the two pirate ships while the rest of the fleet is in hot pursuit. This could allow us to start the whole bit about the <i>Black Pearl</i> being the fastest ship in the Caribbean. This seems a lot more believable, as something similar happened when the USS <i>Constitution</i> outran six British warships in the War of 1812. <i>”Old Ironsides”</i> let fly her studdingsails and started kedging (which means to row the ship’s anchors out and drop them overboard, yanking the ship forward).
 
<!--quoteo(post=214384:date=Sep 15 2007, 11:42 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 15 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]214384[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think that idea of other ships firing ranges might work, maybe the dutchman being soooo manuverable dodges most of the shot from some volleys.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They’re called broadsides mate. Volleys refer to musketry. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Unlike the ships in the pic above (which are really, really fake looking.), the ships of the EIC Armed Escort Fleet would be heavier frigates, seventy-fours, and a few first rates… not the average frigate and brigantine seen in the pic above. I already think that 2v20 is extremely steep; Trafalgar was a lopsided battle at 29v33. What if we used agility over strength? We’d have one or two frigates fast enough to give chase after the two pirate ships while the rest of the fleet is in hot pursuit. This could allow us to start the whole bit about the <i>Black Pearl</i> being the fastest ship in the Caribbean. This seems a lot more believable, as something similar happened when the USS <i>Constitution</i> outran six British warships in the War of 1812. <i>”Old Ironsides”</i> let fly her studdingsails and started kedging (which means to row the ship’s anchors out and drop them overboard, yanking the ship forward).
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Sorry mate about the volleys, i just woke up and wasnt thinking. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

I understand that the odds are steep, but the pearl wont be having a toe to toe fight with the EIC fleet, the dutchman will, really the dutchman being faster than any normal ship, and the pearl even faster (with the wind) they can out run the frigates, all Jones wants to do is to ensure the pearls safety, after she is far enough away, he recalls his detachment of crew from the pearl, and swings hard a starboard, and kicks the crap out of the Eic fleet which we see from afar. Also. i cant remember who threw this idea around about beckett not having a large fleet because the one on AWE was the fruits of his life, good idea. Beckett has a fleet of 12 ships heavy frigates, seventy-fours, and a couple ships of the line with the 104 gun Endevour. Now the fleet returning home to refit comes from the south and blocks the pearls escape, so Jones has to fight his way out of the entanglements of the fleets, while shielding the pearl from most of the cross fire. Now the ships returining home cant keep up as well because their hulls below the water line havent been scraped of barnacles and what not for a few months, so thus they are slower. And we can FINALLY have the pearl use her stern chasers on the EIC fleet hot in persuit. Commodore i will modify my battle idea to accomodate your plan of using agility over strength, but that still wont get them out of the two fleets that have surrounded them (figuratively). Once they do then their agility can overpower the fleets strength. I hope you know that, for the 7th time, THE DUTCHMAN CANNOT BE DEFEATED IN BATTLE! So if an enemy fleet has the advantage of strength, they lose that when the dutchman is thrown into the fray against them. And to include Pieters idea of showing the most of the fight from afar, i am modifying that to show a bit of it from afar, most of it up close. Here is the time frame i think should be awarded to each phase of the battle:

1. The fighting through the two EIC fleets: 8-10 minutes

2. Escaping the faster frigates: 12-15 minutes.

3. Showing the dutchman fighting the fleet from afar: as long as it takes for the pearl to get that out of view.

Later we can show most of becketts fleet as a burning pile of broken wood, and the Endevour without her bowsprit, half of her foremast, and all of her mizzen mast, her sides are heavily damaged, (chipped, holes, dents), and she is listing a bit to the port. Maybe two of the, oh, lets say five seventy fours are limping home one is completely mastless, and is being towed home by the other which was severely raked from the stern. The frigates are gone, they have been blown apart down to the keel, lets have one of becketts officers say that as he reports the casualty list.

Commodore, i see that you love frigates, sorry to say, i couldnt say the same about myself, i prefer ships with 60+ guns, and galleons from the 1630s like the Wasa. (thats one of the models i built). I respect the tactical value of frigates, but i use them sparingly. Dont get me wrong you have GREAT ideas, as you read above, i have just officially stated the my script will be modified hence forth to accomodate your idea.

Pieter, i also have modified mine to have your idea of showing the battle from afar.
 
Ah, no worries! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

And I do prefer frigates. I'm an American, I tend to lean towards outmaneuvering the enemy with frigates and light third rates over forming a line of battle and slugging it out. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> That's why I go with JPJ as a "character". We're literally the same both physically and mentally.

Hey, this'll interest you! Opens October 12th, 2007.

<a href="http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809426394/video/3296319/20070709/150/3296319-100-wmv-s.39226047-,3296319-700-flash-s.39226064-,3296319-300-wmv-s.39226048-,3296319-1000-flash-s.39226065-,3296319-1000-wmv-s.39226058-,3296319-100-flash-s.39226059-,3296319-700-wmv-s.39226053-,3296319-300-flash-s.39226062-,3296318-10300-qtv-s.39226079-,3296318-2700-qtv-s.39226074-,3296318-6800-qtv-s.39226076-#3296319" target="_blank">Official Trailer</a>

This is without a doubt on my "<i>MUST</i> see opening day and own on special collector uncut edition DVD" list!
We didn't get the titanic sea battle in AWE... but we get it here!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
mercer, you're forgetting that the pearl in the movie doesn't have stern chasers, only in the game. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=214450:date=Sep 16 2007, 03:58 AM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Sep 16 2007, 03:58 AM) [snapback]214450[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->mercer, you're forgetting that the pearl in the movie doesn't have stern chasers, only in the game. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, watch the COBP when Elizabeth is dining with Barbossa, watch right when that starts, and you will see a sternchaser cannon with a red cloth lying across it. Actually go to where Pintel and Reghetti tell elizabeth she will be dining with the captain. Make sure you watch it from when the scene starts. You will see a stern chaser with a red cloth on it. I am pretty sure, but i might be wrong, i noticed that 2 nights ago and i didnt see which side of the cabin it was on, i will look again also.
 
<!--quoteo(post=214447:date=Sep 15 2007, 10:09 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 15 2007, 10:09 PM) [snapback]214447[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ah, no worries! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

And I do prefer frigates. I'm an American, I tend to lean towards outmaneuvering the enemy with frigates and light third rates over forming a line of battle and slugging it out. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> That's why I go with JPJ as a "character". We're literally the same both physically and mentally.

Hey, this'll interest you! Opens October 12th, 2007.

<a href="http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809426394/video/3296319/20070709/150/3296319-100-wmv-s.39226047-,3296319-700-flash-s.39226064-,3296319-300-wmv-s.39226048-,3296319-1000-flash-s.39226065-,3296319-1000-wmv-s.39226058-,3296319-100-flash-s.39226059-,3296319-700-wmv-s.39226053-,3296319-300-flash-s.39226062-,3296318-10300-qtv-s.39226079-,3296318-2700-qtv-s.39226074-,3296318-6800-qtv-s.39226076-#3296319" target="_blank">Official Trailer</a>

This is without a doubt on my "<i>MUST</i> see opening day and own on special collector uncut edition DVD" list!
We didn't get the titanic sea battle in AWE... but we get it here!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
AWWWEEESOOOOOOMEEEE!!!!!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=214468:date=Sep 16 2007, 09:18 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Sep 16 2007, 09:18 AM) [snapback]214468[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=214447:date=Sep 15 2007, 10:09 PM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 15 2007, 10:09 PM) [snapback]214447[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ah, no worries! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

And I do prefer frigates. I'm an American, I tend to lean towards outmaneuvering the enemy with frigates and light third rates over forming a line of battle and slugging it out. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> That's why I go with JPJ as a "character". We're literally the same both physically and mentally.

Hey, this'll interest you! Opens October 12th, 2007.

<a href="http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809426394/video/3296319/20070709/150/3296319-100-wmv-s.39226047-,3296319-700-flash-s.39226064-,3296319-300-wmv-s.39226048-,3296319-1000-flash-s.39226065-,3296319-1000-wmv-s.39226058-,3296319-100-flash-s.39226059-,3296319-700-wmv-s.39226053-,3296319-300-flash-s.39226062-,3296318-10300-qtv-s.39226079-,3296318-2700-qtv-s.39226074-,3296318-6800-qtv-s.39226076-#3296319" target="_blank">Official Trailer</a>

This is without a doubt on my "<i>MUST</i> see opening day and own on special collector uncut edition DVD" list!
We didn't get the titanic sea battle in AWE... but we get it here!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
AWWWEEESOOOOOOMEEEE!!!!!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
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Thats the sea battle i'm talkin' about!!! By God thats it! We must have that battle i am planning in my script to rival that. Or something close to it.
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay, watch the COBP when Elizabeth is dining with Barbossa, watch right when that starts, and you will see a sternchaser cannon with a red cloth lying across it. Actually go to where Pintel and Reghetti tell elizabeth she will be dining with the captain. Make sure you watch it from when the scene starts. You will see a stern chaser with a red cloth on it. I am pretty sure, but i might be wrong, i noticed that 2 nights ago and i didnt see which side of the cabin it was on, i will look again also.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

That's a gun situated along the starboard side... the great cabin was not spared from the need of a working gun deck. It's the same in Master and Commander; When Jack awakes to the masthead calling 'Sail ho!', his hanging cot is suspended over one of the <i>Suprise's</i> guns. A stern chaser would never be situated in a captain's cabin... think about it. A captain's cabin has stern galleries... not gunports along the width of the stern. Stern chasers would be situated below the stern galleries in the wardroom on a smaller ship or lowest gundeck on a larger ship.
 
<!--quoteo(post=214471:date=Sep 16 2007, 09:55 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Sep 16 2007, 09:55 AM) [snapback]214471[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay, watch the COBP when Elizabeth is dining with Barbossa, watch right when that starts, and you will see a sternchaser cannon with a red cloth lying across it. Actually go to where Pintel and Reghetti tell elizabeth she will be dining with the captain. Make sure you watch it from when the scene starts. You will see a stern chaser with a red cloth on it. I am pretty sure, but i might be wrong, i noticed that 2 nights ago and i didnt see which side of the cabin it was on, i will look again also.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

That's a gun situated along the starboard side... the great cabin was not spared from the need of a working gun deck. It's the same in Master and Commander; When Jack awakes to the masthead calling 'Sail ho!', his hanging cot is suspended over one of the <i>Suprise's</i> guns. A stern chaser would never be situated in a captain's cabin... think about it. A captain's cabin has stern galleries... not gunports along the width of the stern. Stern chasers would be situated below the stern galleries in the wardroom on a smaller ship or lowest gundeck on a larger ship.
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Again, i was tired, and i wasnt sure, but i'll take your word for it.
 
Okay, WE NEED TO START WORKING ON THE ACTUAL SCRIPT! WE HAVE A FEW STARTING LOCATIONS, PICK ONE! I NEED STUFF TO CONVERT TO SCRIPT FORM. Everyone please start typing up a rough draft we will all then BRIEFLY discuss it, and agree on some changes then i can put it in script form. We are lagging behind a bit. We need to step up our efforts!

For Pirates of the Caribbean Sequel!!!!!!!!!
 
I think I mostly agree with what has been posted above. One question though: What do you think of my Jack's First Officer idea? We need to have some new interesting characters in the film and nobody has come up with any yet. As many ideas as we might come up with, new characters are a MUST!
 
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