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Limiting ships to certain nations

Maybe we should not do it in years, but periods:
1.Buccaneers (1600-1670, mostly galleons and caravels, flutes, the battleships, lineship, luggers, barques, yachts, sloops,xebecs and frigates sometimes brigs, schooners and pinnaces also man o wars, but less frequently)
2.Pirates (1670-1745, mostly brigs and schooners, Indiaman and Amsterdam, frigates, corvettes, pinnaces sometimes a galleon, but only the most modern ones, flutes, luggers, barques, yachts, sloops, xebecs, cutters, frigates, Lineship, but with some more modern rigging, the black-yellow ships (not the black-red, those are really napoleonic) manowars)
3.Navy and privateers (Brigs, schooners, frigates with jibsail, luggers, barques, yachts, sloops, xebecs, cutters, corvettes, warships, lineships, manowars an all napoleonic colourscheme ships.)
4. 'Fantasy' All ships in 1 period.

I think the soldier models should change also, in any case the spanish, after the Buccaneer period no more conquistadores. And no more Musketier outfits in the Navy period. I think the navy outfits can already be used in Pirates era. And after the buccaneer era no more elizabetian outfits.
 
How would we acchieve it codewise? I think I know how to do the appearance and disappearance years things. So we could just use that to seperate the ships in periods, I think. Just set all Buccaneers ships to 1600-1670 and all pirates ships to 1670-1745, etc. What to do with the soldier outfits though? We don't have much different options for the different nations. We've got stock game and red Thomas the Terror reskins for England, stock game, blue Build and blue JMV skins for France and stock game and JMV blue with black hat skins for Spain.
 
Deringer french skins? those have the stock eng_soldier model, but a different skin, also pirates/navy period. We now need some spanish and portugese guys.
 
<!--quoteo(post=220538:date=Nov 8 2007, 06:20 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 8 2007, 06:20 PM) [snapback]220538[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I started work on a complete list of ships. See <a href="http://www.s31clan.com/privateftps/pietersmods/ships.htm" target="_blank">here</a>. Obviously it's not done yet, considering it's a lot of work. Please post your thought on what class you think each ship should have, whether it should be limited to a certain nation or not, whether it should be considered Napoleonic and what display name she should have.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Pieter ..about my Cursed Corvette is that i still not know what name it should have and its still just a temporary ship for Davy Jones like curse ..my final cursed ship should be MUCH bigger than corvette and right now Indiaman is perfect for my cursed ship project BUT i wanna get rid of this F***ING BLOODY REVERSED LIGHTING EFFECT! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boom.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":boom" border="0" alt="boom.gif" />
 
i wouldn't put caravels in the second period. they should only be in the first. as to determine the frequency of the ships, there should simply be less versions of them available, thus decreasing the chance of meeting them. in the later periods when that ship should become more frequent, more versions (skins) should be assigned to that period, increasing the chance of meeting them. if the cutters, sloops, and schooners would indeed be put in the first period, they should be VERY rare. like a single ship being ahead of it's time, for instance. otherwise it would simply not be possible in reality. cutters might have made their appearance though. as a guideline: in the first period, there where mainly tubby and square-rigged ships. the became more fore-to-aft rigged and streamlined in the later periods.
 
<!--quoteo(post=220816:date=Nov 10 2007, 08:40 AM:name=Thomas the Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thomas the Terror @ Nov 10 2007, 08:40 AM) [snapback]220816[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe we should not do it in years, but periods:
1.Buccaneers (1600-1670, mostly galleons and caravels, flutes, the battleships, lineship, luggers, barques, yachts, sloops,xebecs and frigates sometimes brigs, schooners and pinnaces also man o wars, but less frequently)
2.Pirates (1670-1745, mostly brigs and schooners, Indiaman and Amsterdam, frigates, corvettes, pinnaces sometimes a galleon, but only the most modern ones, flutes, luggers, barques, yachts, sloops, xebecs, cutters, frigates, Lineship, but with some more modern rigging, the black-yellow ships (not the black-red, those are really napoleonic) manowars)
3.Navy and privateers (Brigs, schooners, frigates with jibsail, luggers, barques, yachts, sloops, xebecs, cutters, corvettes, warships, lineships, manowars an all napoleonic colourscheme ships.)
4. 'Fantasy' All ships in 1 period.

I think the soldier models should change also, in any case the spanish, after the Buccaneer period no more conquistadores. And no more Musketier outfits in the Navy period. I think the navy outfits can already be used in Pirates era. And after the buccaneer era no more elizabetian outfits.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Conquistadores in the XVII century? Come on. La Conquista was achieved by the time. I'd personnaly enjoy a first time period being much earlier. Being able to met Sir Francis Drake for exemple... Or to fight against/with the great Armada, etc.
Anyway I prefer the year method, which can be more accurate, eventhought it could look a bit artificial.
 
I prefer the simple methods. Year method should be pretty simple. The hardest part will be adding a year selection box to the Choose Character screen. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
Pieter, you can find a list of ship types and renames <a href="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7183&view=findpost&p=155555" target="_blank">here</a>.

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
If the Corvette is going to be a Frigate, what will be a Corvette? Is the Sloop of War going to be renamed to Corvette? We don't have that many Sloop of Wars, do we? And they look almost the same as Brigs anyway. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
why is corvette going to be a friate?! they are not the same, corvettes look like frigates thats all... and a sloop of war looks definitely not like a corvette. i think it is good the way it was
 
because a 32-gun ship is considered a frigate. a corvette is french for sloop-of-war, and the corvettes we have are way too big to be a sloop-of-war.
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/glare.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":glare:" border="0" alt="glare.gif" /> stupit french..... did you ever seen a corvette or a image of it? they look more like the corvettes in the game than the sloops of war.
 
That was my point... Corvettes are merely what the French call "Sloops-of-War". <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
So.. Corvette = Sloop of War, Manowar = Man of War ..hmm seems like Warship will be "Tartane of War" and
Battleship will be something like "Boat of War". <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> its not only about the amount of guns.. also the shape and things, the sloop of war looks definitely not on a corvette <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" />
 
i don't think you understand the definition of sloop of war. it's a small fighting craft, with an amount of guns ranging from (fill in here commodore), which can be either a sloop, brig, brigantine, or whatever ship with that amount of guns. have you gotten your impression of what it is from a game, by any chance? maybe you should be demoted to landrot again? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
A sloop-of-war was a general name given to a military vessel larger than a two masted brig-of-war and smaller than a post-ship. They wanted to make a point that it was very different from a civilian sloop, which is a single masted vessel under 100 feet in length. (Same for brigs-of-war... they were quite large in comparison to a civilian brig, snow, or brigatine.) Sloops-of-war carried anywhere from 14 to 20 guns, no lighter than four pounders and no heavier than nine pounders. There were some instances, however, in which you could find a sloop-of-war with twelve pounder chasers... like HM Sloop <i>Sparrow</i> from <u>Sloop of War</u> by Alexander Kent.
All sloops-of-war were ship rigged vessels, meaning that they were fitted with "the whole nine yards"... three masts with three yards to each, the rigging of a full-rigged ship on a small scale.

Technically, if it is smaller than a twenty-eight gun light frigate and has three masts... it is a sloop-of-war (or corvette if you hail from France! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> )
 
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