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Released the one and fifty three

Hylie Pistoff said:
What? Not let this ship stand out from the crowd? Let it be outstanding! :razz The ship it will be replacing is one of the very worst ships in POTC, which is also one of the most common ships in POTC. Let her shine.
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By "not standing out", I meant not looking out of place. A different coloured deck to everything else would look odd, to me.
As she is, the sheer build quality is enough to put the stock ships to shame. :keith
 
Armada said:
As she is, the sheer build quality is enough to put the stock ships to shame. :keith
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Wow, that came unexpected. Thank you.


I did rebuild the maindeck to look as proposed earlier. The upper part of the forecastle will get an update soon, too. Please take the cannons merely as placeholders as I am not very pleased with them. Any thoughts I should be aware of?

 
If you don't like your own cannons, then you can always copy some from models already in the game.
There's no shame in doing so, and it actually helps again with consistency. :onya
The best guns we've got, in my opinion, are those on ships we've recently had built, such as Jack Harrison's HMS Surprise.
 
I really liked the red inner gunwales at least. We do have other ships like that (at least in COAS). Maybe one texture version could have that. Very historically authentic as I said before.

MK
 
Yes, that would be fine to keep as it was. It's only the deck which needed a colour change, really.
 
Armada said:
Yes, that would be fine to keep as it was. It's only the deck which needed a colour change, really.
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I still like the red deck, but I know what you're saying about uniformity.

I would bet money that ships that had seen lots of action over a 40 year period, (like in the Anglo Dutch wars where some ships saw service in nearly every battle in the two greatest age of sail naval wars in history - where in some battles a single fleet would lose 4 to 5 thousand men) that there would be no washing the blood out of the decks no matter how much one scrubbed. You would have no choice but to keep them painted red.

Heck, just look at the deck at the end of my movie clip in the game, and that doesn't include blood from cannon related injuries/deaths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0HzX2pvKEg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

MK
 
That looks good to me. :yes

@MK, I had no idea GoF featured blood splatter on deck. I see why a red deck would be more appropriate for that than for PotC.
Videos like that make the Build Mod show its age more and more these days. Maybe one day a combination of both games will finally happen... :rolleyes:
 
and yet, if you'd compare it to something like skyrim, you'll notice how badly pirate games are represented in terms of graphical quality.

the first thing i noticed is that the color of the back wall of the forecastle is identical to the deck, which looks just a little off. you got the planking pattern right though. thing is, i have no idea how else that wall could look.
 
Morgan Terror said:
and yet, if you'd compare it to something like skyrim, you'll notice how badly pirate games are represented in terms of graphical quality.

the first thing i noticed is that the color of the back wall of the forecastle is identical to the deck, which looks just a little off. you got the planking pattern right though. thing is, i have no idea how else that wall could look.
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The wall should be fine when i've finished the details i'am working on now. I think about the possibility of an extra floor texture, it would also end this discussion about the red or brown planking. I could easily upload or include a red version of it so every one is pleased and can decide witch floor to use.
 
Red or brown?
How should he do it?
Difficult.
I would like to offer a third point of View, if you allow...
Let him do it the way he sees fit.

Despite the question of Historical accuracy which will possibly never be resolved with "absolute" answers, textures and colors are, as so often a matter of taste.
Unfortunately, we do not have any Photographs, or descriptions from eyewitnesses, or do we?
textures are a matter of taste...
Which, as i have just seen on an other forum (War plane Game and a Finnish Winter Map) does sometimes distract from the product itself, the modeling, the innovations and the progress.

The conclusion we had there, after a long winded post of the original Mod artist (must have taken him an hour to :nk )

It is impossible to please everyone.

I don´t like the Red. i like this Rich, full Brown he proposed. sh*t Brown. Lego Brown. Reminds me of my Lego Pirate ship.
but with Red interior Walls, does not look bad either.

With a " :cheeky;) " i would like to say:
Nightwatcher, in case of doubt, don´t listen to us... do as your stomach or your eye and ears tell you to. :shrug

Back to your Preview 43 picture...
I do not have your plans at hand, but i notice that there is some kind of "doorstep" between the main deck and the interior of the Forecastle, and i am scratching my head about it.
You sure it was like that, not simply a continuation of the planking? What is the sense of a doorstep where everyone kan trip over? Was it used to prevent Water to get under the door?

Another thing where, as a non-sailor i am wondering if it can be correct, is the fore Cannons (size). They do not have an awful lot of place to recoil back when fired, without hitting the square Frame behind them. seems weird to me...

The same thing goes for the Big Cannons on the Main deck. Lacking the Reference size with a Human, and knowledge of ship cannons, the Revenge itself, and about every other aspect, i lean out the window, and say:
they seem like F´n 24-28 pounders! They are BIG!
Could it be that the Man who drew the Plans of the Revenge was a little Optimistic on the Cannon size?
Even if i like the proportions, and these very nice long Barrels!

ok, now keelhaul me... :shrug
 
you seem to have left out the argument brought about historical facts concerning deck colour. but nevermind that.

the bow cannons can, in fact, roll back. the grating is flat. however, i do agree that the guns are far too large. this is probably caused by the fact that the game doesn't have guns of different sizes for each deck, but it's already been mentioned that these are temporary guns. you do have a point on the doorstep, but i sorta like the way it looks myself.
 
One Hour! Are you kidding with me? I have a nice long plank here for you. :walkplank

The need or use of the doorsteps isnt clear to me either. I think they are there to confuse every frenchmen who set his foot on this MHS. :))
but look for your self:


The cannons are in need of a rework, to better fit on the deck, that sure.
and, YEP, the Man who draw these plans has build a few (read many), bizarre things in. These have to be dealed with, one way or another.

So, now have a view on the finished Forecastle.




And as a closing. I needed aprox. 15 min. to write this. What do you think, how much time i needed to wrote the former mentioned wall of text? :cheers :drunk
 
yea, maybe they were placeholders for even bigger ones... NW didnt say anything specific :) so i brought forward my thought.
I dont know how much, in feet the guns on the forecastle would roll backwards until stopped by ropes. 3 feet? only 2? if the rear wheels get into the Gaps of the gratings, will it be hard to get the cannon lifted out again? Is the Usual cannon crew sufficient?
Such are questions that cross my mind, so... i put them down. :)

I am happy with the "doorstep" myself because id could help keeping the inside floor dry in storms... anything is welcome to make a sailors life a small amount better. It just made me curious, that's all.

about the historical argument... does that apply to revenge too, or not necessarily? I guess such things are hard to find out about, no? and after all... if it does not please the eye, people will take a Paintbrush... :) "snip snap" :D

The questions and comments might, as i re read them sound full of doubt, and as if i did not thrust that what i see is as close as possible to the real thing.
But there is no reason for me to doubt. Just the desire to know and understand a little bit better. Putting my nose in the subject and my mind on Deck... :will
 
My text was an attempt to be a bit sarcastic, HundertzehnGustav. As I'am more used to read as to write in english, it is possible that it sounds harsh or somethink like that. :shrug

As for the cannon recoil and rope binding i found a nice site about the constitution with its 24 pounders on gundeck, here.
 
NW, ye shoulnt have posted that Plan... i can now go bonkers and start asking questions to which none of you will have an answer.

actually, the sailior moving forward through that door will take a step down of about 10 centimeters, no? the "doorstep" seems flush with the rest of the main deck.
but THAT observation still does not answer the question: why is the main deck not completely straight? where is the reason or the advantage?
to have that extra little height inside the f´castle?

An other question concerns the chimney of the stove (near the central stairways), that i have seen guided all the way up on later ships: why was the smoke not guided at least to the level of the main deck? the way things is now, all or part of the smoke and smell will stay inside the ship... puzzling.

I need to get me some good books on how these ships were thought, built and used. While a fascinating subject, all this confuses me, and i am in need for answers.

Interesting also the post of the rudder control - one large arm , through a pivot point to influence the rudder orientation. A sort of Hut for the Man to see out.
But when looking out, all he saw sailor feet, the Forecastle, a largely less than perfect view forwards, and none to the side. Shows how much better, in terms of all round visibility the later steering wheel with cables was, installed outside.

Damn i gotta stop... this is gonna cost me my night! :gday :woot

another one!
the installation to fix/guide ropes on... right behind the foremast on the forecastle... according to the plan, there is an even more massive one inside the forecastle. how would such a thing be compatible with a door? It would have to be either split or offset...

need... to... find... out... tomorrow.
funk me... this is cool.
 
ah! of course. the door is ofset. that solves the problem.
and the second one really IS inside.
satisfied, and peaceful, i can go to bed now.
:mm :doff
 
Armada said:
Maybe one day a combination of both games will finally happen... :rolleyes:
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Amen brother. Me too!


Nightwatcher, I think she's lovely mate, and will be happy with whatever you build. I'm just a history nut and bringing up a few things to consider.

BTW, Ich wa eine Amerikana Heere verbindung offizier mit der Deutches Heere ( Erste Gebirgs Division) vom 1993 bis 1995. Ich habst eine Edelweise urkunde. Ich liebe Deutchland!

You write in English just fine Mate! Nearly perfect in fact.

MK
 
you've gotten rid of nearly all of the white, i see. this looks fine too.

many of the seemingly inexplainable differences in the deck's elevation are probably related to plank and beam length. they could only get them up to a certain length, so the engineers often make planks and beams overlap for extra strength, or were forced to raise the deck due to various tiny reasons. in any case, it's usually a matter of taking advantage of an oppurtunity to strengthen the ship.
 
Yes, almost no white in this scheme. I try to follow loosly the picture of MK.
http://forum.piratesahoy.net/index....=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=6818

Thank you for the background information about the decks elevation. I wondered my self about it. :onya

After a really short night, i decided to gave her decks an separate texture so we could easily swap the color there, uneffected of the hull color and to enhance her overall appearance. In CoaS we have 3 hull colorsets to play with. How is it in the other program versions as AoP, ...?

And now, please say me what you think of the new Deck texture.



and one closeup with red applied


- could it stay as it is? Yes,yes,... No?
- to sh*ty for a color? ;)

What do you think???
 
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