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France and England should be at war during the Colonial Powers Era... what with the Seven Years War and all. I could consult the ships list in <b>RESOURCE/INI/TEXTS/ENGLISH-common</b> to form a list of ships divided by era.
 
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The Spanish Main (1600-1680) (maybe the period should be shifted to slightly earlier, 1580 to 1680)
Ships:

<b>caravels:</b> not actually built anymore, but a few old ships still remain. Vigila Mendes' quest should take place in this period. (he's got a caravel, and his dialogue fits)

<b>galleons:</b> these beasts having largely replaced the caravels, now is the time of their prime. a re-rigged version with lateens on two masts and square-rigged on the main and fore mast might be required, as the excisting version is already fairly modernly rigged for the period. (it might be interesting to know that the black pearl's design actually already excisted in the middle of this period)

<b>chebecs:</b> though not actually belonging here, they did excist.

<b>fleut:</b> excisted in this period. they where largely replaced by pinnaces in 1669, so they don't excist in the next period, though a few rare ones might remain. the AOP fleut most definately belongs here.

<b>pinnace:</b> introduced at the very end of the period.

<b>cutters:</b> excisted. all types can be used, and in all periods after this one.

i do not know about the frigate here. although they appeared at the end of the period, it would be best to leave them out, because they might be endangering the leading role of galleons, which really needs to be kept for this period.

<b>16-gun brig:</b> excists, but all other brig types should be left out of this period. however! the new version of the brigantine, with the square topsail on the mizzen mast, DID excist in this period. the original brigantine, however, did not.

<b>yacht and barque: (doubtful)</b> i'm not sure here. the term yacht did excist, but those ships where very much like the cutters, and not at all like the yachts we have in the game. their design was more commonly used in the next period, so i'd leave them out here. <b>petros' smuggler barque</b> belongs here.

<b>ketch:</b> belongs here. predecessor of the schooner. no actual schooners just yet.

<b>lugger:</b> a very old vessel. primarily used by pirates, smugglers and the coastguard. exclusively french in this period.

<b>in short: ketch, galleon, caravel, smuggler barque, chebec, 16-gun brig, all cutters, pinnace, fleut, AOP fleut, luggers, NEW version of brigantine with topsail. (note: the tartane was used in all periods)</b>

The Golden Age (1680-1740)
Ships:

<b>frigate:</b> most definately belongs here. appeared right at the beginning of the period and lasted all the way through. no corvettes yet.

<b>pinnace:</b> the pinnace from the game in particular is from 1725. the round quarterdeck rail excisted in the middle of the 1700's. fleuts will likely have dissapeared, though a few lone wonderers might still sail the seas.

<b>barques and yachts:</b> all of them in this period.

<b>brigs:</b> no more 16-gun brigs, but all others where sprouting up everywhere.

<b>schooners:</b> the regular schooners are here, as well as the fast schooners. maybe war schooners as well, although i'm not sure. i'd put them in. petros' rum runner isn't here just yet, as it appeared in 1760.

<b>sloops:</b> all except the bermuda sloop excist. petros' ketch is of course included.

<b>in short: frigates, sloop (no bermuda sloop), ketch, lugger, tartane, brig, brigantine, 20-gun brig, shnyava, (no 16-gun brig) schooner, fast schooner, war schooner, (not petros' rum runner) cutters, barques, yachts, pinnace. (fleut a distinct possibility)</b>

Colonial Powers (1740-1770)
Ships:

<b>schooners:</b> now, all schooners excist, including petros' rum runner.

<b>brigs:</b> same as for previous age, but now the privateer has been introduced.

<b>sloops:</b> all sloops, including bermuda sloop.

<b>frigates:</b> the original frigate does excist, but a new version with a gaff instead of a lateen sail is required.

<b>corvettes:</b> though this might be a dare, ships close to these did sail the seas. preferably, i'd only include the pirate corvette here, as pirates often made their ships flush-decked (though the corvettes still have a small quarterdeck). this would be an ex-frigate or ex-east-indiaman.

<b>lineships and warships:</b> though these did excist in the previous period, they would have only actually come to the carribean in this one.

the pinnace actually didn't excist anymore, i think. the design, however, was maintained, but it was now more heavily armed. a new model could be nessesary. preferably, they should be replaced by east-indiamen.

<b>in short: frigates, (also with gaff) pirate corvette, lineships, warships, brig, brigantine, 20-gun brig, shnyava, privateer, sloop, bermuda sloop, ketch, cutters, schooner, war schooner, fast schooner, rum runner, barques, yachts, tartane, ketch, lugger, heavily armed pinnace/east-indiaman.</b>

Revolutions (1770-1790)
Ships:

almost the same as the previous period, but with some additions:

<b>battleships:</b> i'd include battleships here, maybe only to make a difference. however, it might be better to only introduce them in the next age.

<b>war tartane and gunboat:</b> yes, they have finally appeared. those wacky swedes (no offence) started mounting all kinds of artillery on small ships, and thus created lots of experimental craft, including these.

<b>corvettes:</b> now, all versions of the corvette would excist, to compete with those pirate corvettes.

<b>in short: frigates, (now only with gaff) all corvettes, lineships, warships, brig, brigantine, 20-gun brig, shnyava, privateer, sloop, bermuda sloop, ketch, cutters, schooner, war schooner, fast schooner, rum runner, barques, yachts, tartane, ketch, lugger, east-indiaman, gunboat, war-tartane, possibility of battleships.</b>

The Corsican (1790-1820)
Ships:

again, almost the same. however, now even the manowars have taken to the seas and wrest domination of it from the other, weaker vessels and forts.

keep in mind that i don't know all ships by heart, so i will likely have left quite a few out. use the info here as a guideline.
 
Good list, Morgan.

Only "problem" I see is that it´ll be <i>very</i> difficult to take cities with galleons and frigates in the Spanish Main and Golden Age
Era. It would be perfect, if we had something like the Souvereign of the Seas or the Royal Louis to fill that gap.
 
OR the Henry Grâce á dieu, also known as the Great Harry. it had no less than 251 cannons! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /> of course, most of these where very light. it was more of a floating machinegun. however, it didn't excist anymore in the first period. the Souvereign of the Seas (before it was cut down in size), would be a far better choice, and awesome to have on top of it. what it would be doing in the caribbean, however, i have no idea.

it is possible to take some of them though. by land.
 
Battleships of the game belong to the first era if you look at the design and rigging. Kazeites Superior Warship doesn't. (maybe some variations on this one? with my new rigging perhaps?)
 
the battleship is indeed old, however, i'd really want to have a period where the galleons would be the best ship. but as the battleship is still pretty slow, it might not do too much harm. actually, i'd think the battleships belong in the second era. that bow just wasn't used in the first, by the looks of it.
 
And we can decrease the chance of encountering Battleships as well.
 
ideally, i'd have a battleship with a bow which would be the middle of the battleship's and the galleon's. but maybe the battleship would be in the first period, though very rare, and the escalated battleship in the sceond.
 
One man-o-war definitly belongs to the Golden Age, the MoW-44 (IIRC, that is). Its very similar to the San Felipe, a 100 gun ship of the line built in the 1690s´. Dunno if the rigging is correct, though.
 
I also think we should have some more variatons on the smuggler barque, 1 sort barque, that is only used by Pirates is not very much
 
i know the manowar is pretty old. however, you also have to keep in mind that it might not have been braught to the caribbean at that time. also, the manowar should then have a lateen, and not a gaff. or does it already have a lateen? i forgot.
 
well, big ships aren't really the terrain of my info source. any other ships that need adding?
 
I think all different rigged ships should at least get 2 skins, like the ketch, that thing should also have a less special skin as counterpart of petros' so that you still can encounter it.
 
1. I have more skins for the Ketch, I just don't use them.

2. As for needing large ships in the early period to be able to take forts, I've done the main quest capture of Greenford in War Galleons many times.
As that capture is quest related, I don't know if it is possible for other forts.
Then again, it adds to the realism if the player can't take every and any fort he wishes.

3. Colonial Powers (1740-1770)
This is were my Merchantman (Pinnace) with 30 guns might fit in.
I really wish someone would give me hull cannons that I could add to it instead of just painted on.
 
That list seems pretty good to me.
Would the general term "sloop" include "sloops-of-war"?
And here's how I would change rigs: Lateen driver sails up until "Colonial Powers". Then it changes to a gaff rigged driversail. Once we get to "Revolutions" it switches to the gaff/boom rig. We need to look into changing bowsprits as well.

And about all these names... I would change them from "lineship" or "battleship" and actually apply the rating system to these vessels. Sometimes its hard to remember what ship is larger and whatnot. By "The Corsican" we should see the usual run of civilian craft and the following:
Cutter (4 guns)
Ketch (4 guns, 2 mortars...if possible)
Sloop (6-8 guns)
Light Brig-of-War (16 guns)
Brig-of-War (18 guns)
Heavy brig-of-War (20-22 guns)
Sloop-of-War
Post-Ship (Surprise)
Light Frigate (Corvette)
Frigate (Boston)
Heavy Frigate (Frigate)
Super Frigate (It would be sooo cool if someone made a razee or the <i>Constitution</i>!)
Fourth Rate (Aberalla or Stockgame Black Pearl)
Third Rate (Fearless)
Second Rate (Superior Warship 2)
First Rate (Endeavor)
 
i used the current names of the ships for my list. sloops are sloops, the corvettes are sloops of war. changing names to proper ones will come later. now, the definitive list of what belongs where should be defined.

as for petros, i'll take his word for it. it doesn't seem all that impossible to me to take a fort with galleons, actually. and i agree that you shouldn't always be able to blow up everything. that's where the land-based attacks come in handy.
 
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