I updated the first post of the thread with the <a href="http://pafiles.com/build/pb_files/potc_hoist_the_colours.htm" target="_blank">Mirror</a> to the script that does work, so you should now all have no problem finding it anymore. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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<!--quoteo(post=231959:date=Jan 5 2008, 03:41 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Jan 5 2008, 03:41 AM) [snapback]231959[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We might want to be careful with barbossa in this prequel. If we do something like a tavern scene showing Jack hiring Barbossa at the end of the movie... it would look like a play on the final scene of DMC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Very much agreed. That worried me as well, so that's why I suggested Jack meeting Bootstrap in the tavern instead, who could introduce Jack to a First Mate and first-class crew to join him on his venture or something like that (actual introduction would occur offscreen after the end of the film).
<!--quoteo(post=231959:date=Jan 5 2008, 03:41 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Jan 5 2008, 03:41 AM) [snapback]231959[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We need to introduce the "good old boys" of the movies, like Barbossa, Gibbs, Pintel, Ragetti... and I think we could expand on Anamaria and some of the cursed crewmen that we only see in TCotBP. (There's another idea... "You stole my boat!" ... let's shed light on that incident. Was Anamaria a captain? What if she was the "Wicked Wench" the ship was named after?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wouldn't introduce too many of them; just the ones we really need or would be really cool to have. We don't want to explain everything like they did with Star Wars. Some people liked that, but then just as many didn't.
<i>Barbossa:</i> I think it's best not to have him in the prequel; we'll have plenty of him later. We should just have a hint of his existance at the end of the film, but we don't necessarily need to see him.
<i>Gibbs:</i> He's introduced to us straight at the beginning of CotBP. I think that's early enough. How he ended up becoming a pirate and Jack's most trusted crewmember is anyone's guess, but I don't think we need to explain that. Leave it up to the audience's imagination.
<i>Pintel and Ragetti:</i> They're members of Barbossa's crew. That's all we really need to know, isn't it? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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<i>Annamaria:</i> BRING HER BACK!!! She was brutally abandoned in DMC and AWE even though she was really interesting in CotBP. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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We thought we could perhaps add the "you stole my boat" scene as post end credits scene.
Annamaria as the original Wicked Wench Jack named his ship after? Interesting. I don't imagine Annamaria to be a wench like Scarlett and Giselle though; to me Annamaria seems more like a proper female pirate.
<!--quoteo(post=232006:date=Jan 5 2008, 05:51 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Jan 5 2008, 05:51 AM) [snapback]232006[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think we NEED to show bootstrap being sent to the bottom of the ocean, but we dont show Jones rescuing him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Personally I think that everything that is adequately explained off-screen does not need to be shown onscreen again as well. That'd just be a double. I'd rather spend the film time on new things we didn't know about. Now if there are things that are NOT adequately explained on film, we could either keep them vague or decide to show some of it. But I think our film should be able to stand on its own, without reference-after-reference to the other films and introduction-after-introduction of characters that will become important later on.
<!--quoteo(post=232006:date=Jan 5 2008, 05:51 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Jan 5 2008, 05:51 AM) [snapback]232006[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe we can make Pieter happy with some good old pirating by having Barbossa as first mate on the Pearl, and they go pirating, then we can tie it into the movie without messing up the actual flow of events. Yes, introduce Barbossa and the good old boys BEFORE the trip to mexico. Then we can introduce them smoothly with out the abruptness of something like at the end of DMC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Having some of Jack's known crew join them earlier of the film might be possible. Bootstrap could already be there halfway into the film, for example. But Barbossa as well? I like the thought of only meeting him in person in CotBP.
Another thought: Perhaps it's not Bootstrap who introduces Jack and Barbossa, but it is Mr. Gibbs who is there in the Tortuga tavern at the end of the film?
The main challenge we have with this script is, I think, to make sure it DOESN'T read like a fan script. Instead it should be a new original story that can stand on its own even away from the other films. Of course there's some explanations and introductions in the film - it IS a prequel after all - but that shouldn't be the main point of the film. We should be very careful to learn from the things done in other prequels and Star Wars is an obvious example. I like all Star Wars films, but I do think they could've been better, especially the prequels. Things like Jango and Boba Fett in Episode II and especially Chewbacca in Episode III don't really add that much to the story, but instead make that galaxy seem smaller.
So basically what I'm saying is this: We should only add these film references and character introductions that fit in with the story and help the story. But for that it might be a good idea if we decide on what IS the point of the story? Why should this film be made at all? Why should people want to see it?
My personal answer would be: To show the audience a Jack they haven't seen before and to give them an interesting story with lots of cool elements, which also explains some of the events leading up to the next films and introducing some of the characters.
I think the main criteria for adding a character from the other films should be whether or not that character has already been adequately introduced and explained in the other films and what impact the addition of this character to the prequel would have on the effectiveness of the other films. Now Beckett, Mercer and Davy Jones are definitly not explained well enough yet and are required for our prequel. Getting to know them better would definitly improve the other films' effectiveness as well. Then characters like Annamaria and Sao Feng are interesting characters, but underused in the other films, so it'd be nice to expand on them a bit here. Then there is, for example, Mr. Gibbs whose sudden turn from respectable bosun to pirate between the CotBP opening scene and the rest of that film is, as far as I'm concerned, a nice unexplained mystery that we could leave unresolved.
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" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> And I agree that we should fine tune the story before we even think of giving anyone a glance at it. I think we will have some time because they probably won't be to eager to make another film right away. And if we put enough care and incorporate some of the better ideas we had then I do think our script will merit another look by them.
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