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To Mings: It would look very cool if you could somehow transfer Norrington's face textures from the Norrington Models and put it on, or even transfer some of the same textures and colors on his coat. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
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<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" /> CJPJ, I'm not sure I'm following you. Please elaborate. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Pirat1! Thank you both, I'd forgotten about that one! Here's a model with the same edits I made to the man1 model, sleeves, stockings, white knickers, with the Pirat1 head:

<img src="http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/332ZK34H/918901.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

I like the portraits that some PA member made for this model as well! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />

Are we getting close here? Certainly his shirt needs to be made fancier, (though still filthy) and I think I could manage some work on the lapels so they better resemble the movie character. The coat length and shoes we are stuck with at this point, but are there any other suggestions?

Cpt. Fabris, thanks for the info on the Captain Blood titles! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> I have to admit that the internet (or even the library) makes things available far too easily for my tastes. If I were to buy those books it would eliminate the "quest factor" that I enjoy whenever I find an old book bookstore. If I find an old version of a book I would like to have, especially if it was a gift and has some inscription in it, <i>To Nigel, on his tenth birthday, and because he likes pirates, Aunt Wignifred,</i> then it becomes a "treasure" and my sense of accomplishment goes up for having completed a quest. Sadly the copy of <i>Prince of Foxes</i>, by Samuel Shellabarger, that I ordered over the internet, will never hold the same place in my heart as the copies that I obtained (and foolishly loaned out! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/urgh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":urgh" border="0" alt="urgh.gif" /> ) from a library book sale. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" /> Thanks for the links, though! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
There is a set of skins on Pieter's page that are Norrington skins. It would be cool if you could transfer the faces from those to the Pirat1 head and dirty it up a bit. If you can't, its OK. It already looks cool.
Might I suggest that you put the Pirat1 head on the Pirat10 (Barbossa) body? Norrington's outfit was a large frock with sword hangar across his chest, a pair of breeches and a good old pair of bucket top boots. For a good look, refer to my drawing on page one. I drew it the day after seeing the movie, with Norrington's outfit still fresh in my mind.
 
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There is a set of skins on Pieter's page that are Norrington skins. It would be cool if you could transfer the faces from those to the Pirat1 head and dirty it up a bit. If you can't, its OK. It already looks cool.
Might I suggest that you put the Pirat1 head on the Pirat10 (Barbossa) body? Norrington's outfit was a large frock with sword hangar across his chest, a pair of breeches and a good old pair of bucket top boots. For a good look, refer to my drawing on page one. I drew it the day after seeing the movie, with Norrington's outfit still fresh in my mind.
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You mean Derringer's old skins right? The LTNorrington, CPNorrington and CONorrington? Does anyone even still have those old things? Jack Davidson fixed the JMV skins for compatibility but I don't think anyone has ever looked at Derringer's work for a long time. They were good though.

Pirat1 on Pirat10's body would be a good approach (pirat10 has the blue coat right?). Best fit I reckon, would be merging Pirat1's head, Pirat3 or Corsair1_2's body and someone elses boots, but that would I dare say be a difficult job to do.
 
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Pieter Beolen made them b12 and up compatable. I have them and am using them in the game right now.
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Oh I didn't know that. I was awol from late May until now. Clearly I've missed a few things. I always preferred Derringer's skins to JMVs, the uniforms were better. I'll not bother putting 'em in yet though until i finish the game I was playing and reinstall upto the latest version of everything (I'll need to do this If I'm serious about editing and improving the dialogue.)
 
When you want them, they are called Assorted ships and skins on the ftp. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
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When you want them, they are called Assorted ships and skins on the ftp. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Actually quick question, have you replaced the soldier and sailor models for NPCs with the revamped Derringer ones? I remember a few months ago Long John Silver and I have a conversation about doing it with the JMV stuff. I wondered whether you'd tried that and what it might add to things.
 
The Derringer Redcoats and French infantry overwrite the origional soldiers.
I did it with the JMV redcoats, but I had to go into every island file and change every soldier's model to the ones JMV made. Took A LOT of time. Its in the P&E Mod, so they look Napoleonic. But for v1, I'll probably overwrite the old ones with Derringer's.
 
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Cpt. Fabris, thanks for the info on the Captain Blood titles! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> I have to admit that the internet (or even the library) makes things available far too easily for my tastes. If I were to buy those books it would eliminate the "quest factor" that I enjoy whenever I find an old book bookstore. If I find an old version of a book I would like to have, especially if it was a gift and has some inscription in it, <i>To Nigel, on his tenth birthday, and because he likes pirates, Aunt Wignifred,</i> then it becomes a "treasure" and my sense of accomplishment goes up for having completed a quest. Sadly the copy of <i>Prince of Foxes</i>, by Samuel Shellabarger, that I ordered over the internet, will never hold the same place in my heart as the copies that I obtained (and foolishly loaned out! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/urgh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":urgh" border="0" alt="urgh.gif" /> ) from a library book sale. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" /> Thanks for the links, though! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
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Ahh, ok. Force of habit. I'm a librarian by trade (or rather profession) so I'm always keen to point people towards the books and information they seek. Clearly I missed judged your user needs!
I've no idea whether you're in the UK or not, but if you are: <a href="http://www.abebooks.co.uk/" target="_blank">ABE books</a> is a useful resource for the second hand trade. I've not really made recourse to second hand books since I was studying as an undergrad for an history and archaeology degree in the funny little shops by the British Museum in London.
 
Gentlemen,
Maybe this will better serve to illustrate my reluctance with regards to Pirat1 or man1 as a headswap with pirat10:

<img src="http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/332ZK34H/919470.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

As you can see the heads <i>can</i> be switched, (Thanks to Inez Dias) but the way the models are made they do not always lend themselves to a switch.

A compromise somewhere, probably the boots, is going to have to be reached unless our discussion attracts a modder with 3d modeling skills who feels inclined towards participating in this project.

Capt. Fabris, I agree that Corsair1_2 would be a good candidate for a Norrington model with a little texture editing, perhaps combining some of the texture features of pirat3 or Pirat1. Boots are not an option unless the above, referred to hypothetically, 3d modeler makes an appearance.

Also, I take so long to post <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/poet.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hmm" border="0" alt="poet.gif" /> that I just saw your posting while I was previewing mine; thanks again for the links. I don't live in England, but I may have the chance to visit fairly soon, and I will certainly check out what ABE Books has available. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" /> I regard the British Museum as a mandatory stop on any trip to London, and I may ask you in a PM for the names of some of those shops so I can try to locate them. This may not be an exciting notion to everyone out there, but that would make my trip! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />

CJPJ, I did refer to your very fine drawing, and the result of that was the Artois Voysey (or whatever) head on the pirat10 body. That was the only head that I could find, somewhat resembling Norrington's head, that meshed at all well with the pirat10 body. As I stated previously, the textures for that model would require more editing to achieve a better match with the movie character's outfit, but there still remains the problematic Voysey moustache that might distract from the look of the otherwise good looking conversion. By the by, I tried the Pirat1 face texture on this model and wound up with a model resembling Jerry Colonna <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/j_colonna/" target="_blank">http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/j_colonna/</a> (Ah yes! something new has been added! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/diomed.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":dio" border="0" alt="diomed.gif" /> )

I looked on Pieter's page and have identified the models you were referring to, and I agree in principle that it would indeed be cool to transfer the faces on those models to the Pirat1 model. I'm relieved to learn that if I cannot do this it will be "OK", and I can assure you that I actually could do this, however, you should consider the occurrence of this event to be highly UNLIKELY. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/razz.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":razz" border="0" alt="razz.gif" />

Might I suggest in turn that you try to accomplish this yourself? Equipped with little more than the TX converter, a hexediting program, and on occasion Inez's TOOL, (all available thru the site) along with the photoshop program that came on my computer, I have been able to effect all the alterations that I have posted in this thread with a minimal effort, or commitment of time, on my part. Speaking of commitment, I think I should clarify my position here; I am entirely indifferent to the notion of having a Norrington model in the game, I was initially attracted by Tiff's request, for I like editing POTC textures, and thought I had a suggestion to offer that might prove workable. If we never manage to accomplish this goal it will be "no skin off of my nose", <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /> but if we collectively are able to achieve something the community will like, I would regard that as a very worthwhile accomplishment. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/treas1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":treas" border="0" alt="treas1.gif" />
 
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The Derringer Redcoats and French infantry overwrite the origional soldiers.
I did it with the JMV redcoats, but I had to go into every island file and change every soldier's model to the ones JMV made. Took A LOT of time. Its in the P&E Mod, so they look Napoleonic. But for v1, I'll probably overwrite the old ones with Derringer's.
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Er...I completely reinstalled POTC and patched it to the I downloaded the pack you mentioned from the FTP with the Derringer Skinpack, but there are no instructions on how to install it. it's been so long since I fiddled with things in POTC I have no idea where the different files need to go. Any suggestions?

I'm guessing it is (for example):

<i>Garryson_Cn.gm</i> goes in <b>RESOURCE/MODELS/CHARACTERS</b>
<i>h_Garryson.gm</i> goes in <b>RESOURCE/MODELS/HEADS</b>
<i>Gary_Cn77.tga.tx</i> goes in <b>RESOURCES/TEXTURES/CHARACTERS.</b>

But what about the Garry_Cn77.TGA file? I can't see a logical place for this file.
 
To Fabris: The tga file is a pic that gives you a look at the skin if you want to check it before you put it ingame.

To Mings: When it comes to the whole skin in general, the face is only a minor part of the character. I'm not saying that the face isn't important, but I feel that more people would like to see a DMC Norrington in an outfit that makes up about 80% of the visual skin get closer to the movie than the face. The face can be pretty well done up so it isn't as noticeable, and I would imagine that most people would either have him as an officer or play as him, which means you would hardly see his face.
Norrington did have a bit of facial hair, though it wasn't enough to call a moustashe and beard, so I think we can get away with a Voisey head on Pirat10's body.
 
CJPJ,
I generally interpret from your response that your preference would be for the model that uses the Voysey head and the pirat10 body, duly noted. I would probably aply put a greater value to your input and feedback if it didn't always come across to me like directions issued by a superior officer to some hapless subordinate. Maybe this will help; my historical namesake, <b>Sir Christopher Mings</b>, during his naval career was likewise a Commodore. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

Just to muddy the waters further, I started playing around with the texture for Man6_1, with the following results:

<img src="http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/332ZK34H/920215.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
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Sorry the picture is so dark, I forgot to up the brightness, and again, this is thrown together to provide a general idea of what a finished model might look like.

I also tried putting boot textures on an otherwise shoes-and-stockings model to see what it would look like. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /> They look more like riding boots than the pirate boots, but maybe they will serve?

The more I look at it, the more it resembles Nathan Hale about to express his regret that he ordered the chicken rather than the beef at his last meal, but maybe when I add some Norrington-looking textures to the coat, and add a baldric, he'll more closely resemble a sow's ear made from a silk purse.

Let me know what you think. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
I'd say that is pretty good. To be honest the more I consider the Norrington DMC question the more I question the need for a model. Pirates ain't gonna touch Norrington as he is navy with a stick up his derriere, whilst for the naval enthusiasts, they prefer Norrington from CBP or the third film where he is the naval commodore once again (or so we presume).

Sir Christopher. I am indeed pleased to hear that the BM is held in such high regard by those from beyonds these shores. I have frequented London's great museum for many years (especially the Egyptian and Assyrian galleries) and since my undergraduate degree was nearby (at Birkbeck College in Malet Street) I have wandered the many surrounding streets where the various historical and mystical second hand shops reside (they seem to respect those who know their books. Sadly I don't mean dull b*ggers like me who know the ISBN codes.).I would be delighted to provide what help I may on any visit you make to the capital city.

As an offtopic question, do either of you fine gentlemen belong to re-enactment groups or attend what I believe American's call 'Renaissance Faires'? I have long been facinated with the idea but resisted joining up for their somewhat comical nature. I'd much prefer to learn bladecraft from those historical fencers whose study is wholly serious (eg, Guy Wilson in Helsinki, the European Medieval Combat Guild etc). Having studied early mediaeval Europe I have long been of the opinion that to understand such cultures requires some training in weapons (my lecturer was trained in fencing...and seemed to use his foil or a lightsaber as a pointer).
 
Love the skin Mings. Aye, they look like riding boots, but you have an excellent model nonetheless. I think it will look really good when you retexture it, Sir!
(Sorry if I sounded like a superior. I was trying to help in making this particular skin an addition to b13 that people would remember. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />)
 
Er OFFTOPIC chaps.

Have either of you got a decent full length picture of the French troops in the Derringer pack? I am trying to determine whether I might be able to edit the textures to give them off-white coats with blue cuffs and blue breeches and socks as per the Compagnie Franche de La marine soldiers found in the colonies in the late 17th and early to mid-18th century. The problem being that i have neither the expertise nor tools to really edit models and can't really think of a decent NPC model that features Justaucorps, tricorn, breeches and shoes. Any ideas for potential models? (it'd be easier to edit existing soldier models I guess rather than have to headswap a lot).
Sadly the best model is maybe the Searcher if I could recolour the coat the breeches and stick soldiers' heads on his body. Really is a lack of good Justaucorps in POTC. I'd be an appreciative recipient of any model fiddling advice.

Best pictures come from Canadian history websites and publications:
<img src="http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v1_c6_s04_ss00_01.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
 
Have you seen Washington the Warrior? In that documentary, the French wear uniforms like the one above, but the coat's colors are reversed. (Wneh they tell about Washington's life during the Seven Years War.)
 
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Have you seen Washington the Warrior? In that documentary, the French wear uniforms like the one above, but the coat's colors are reversed. (Wneh they tell about Washington's life during the Seven Years War.)
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Can't say I've seen any documentaries about George Washington, but in the UK he's not much of a historical figure. I imagine most soldiers in the early to mid 18th century looked pretty much similar with just a combination of Justaucorps, breeches and stockings and shoes or boots, just with different colours. The CFM were the French colonial soldiers who garrisoned their Caribbean and American possessions.

Hmm I tried using Inez Diaz's tool to mix up a French soldier and the Searcher .gm models but the tool doesn't like my laptop much (running XP Pro SP2) and keeps going 'blue' and crashes if I minimize it. No more luck trying the ancient GM Viewer which doesn't appear to actually do anything (I can select files in the directories but it doesn't do anything and there aren't controls or options anywhere.) Rather annoying. I wanted to see whether French soldiers' heads would work on Searcher's bod so I can just fiddle with the textures and recolour them. Problem is that the hair of the french soldiers isn't part of the head so a gap appears.
 
I can go and look at the Derringer Frenchmen today and get a full body pic if you want.
Washington the Warrior was a big thing on the History Channel, I thought a few people around the world might watch it, not just the US.
 
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I can go and look at the Derringer Frenchmen today and get a full body pic if you want.
Washington the Warrior was a big thing on the History Channel, I thought a few people around the world might watch it, not just the US.
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i think the History channel is probably on cable or satellite in the UK, but I don't have access to either of those services.

No need for the pic now thanks. I've managed to get the Derringer French troops into the tool, but the head swapping seems hopeless. I rather doubt this idea will work.
 
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