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Shipmodels for the worldmap

<!--quoteo(post=137291:date=Jan 8 2006, 12:39 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Jan 8 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]137291[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Fleut is quite Dutch, yes. But it's defenitly not the only Dutch ship. I do like Dutch VOC ships; just not the Fleuts. I have added some pictures of two Dutch VOC ship replica's to the bottom of this post.

I like those models quite a bit and will add them into the modpack. If I manage it, I will also add a toggle on it, so people can choose whatever they want.

The FPS shouldn't influence the speed of sailing. The FPS influences how fluid the animation works. The speed is not related to that.

Here are the ship pictures:
<img src="http://www.bmz.amsterdam.nl/adam/pics/pakhuizen/oosterdok.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
This is the VOC ship "Amsterdam", which is my favourite VOC ship. Please note: She isn't a Fleut. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
You can also see a painting of this ship in my signature. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/nl/9/9a/Batavia_zeilt_uit_sydney.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
This is the VOC ship "Batavia", which I don't really like too much. She <i>is</i> a Fleut and I don't like the high sterns on Fleuts. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

you are definitly right about that toggleling or if you have a LOM at holland your ship on the map change's in a fleut or if in enland a.... if you can doe this Pieter i'm verry happy <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
 
I have been working on making better worldmap ship models. As you can see on attached screenshot, it doesn't look right yet. I don't quite understand why. It looks fine in 3D Studio MAX, but during the conversion to GM, weird things happen. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> there, Pieter.

Nice one, matey. I like where you're going with this. Keep up the great work. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

Cheers <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=158949:date=Aug 21 2006, 06:41 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Aug 21 2006, 06:41 PM) [snapback]158949[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
I have been working on making better worldmap ship models. As you can see on attached screenshot, it doesn't look right yet. I don't quite understand why. It looks fine in 3D Studio MAX, but during the conversion to GM, weird things happen. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />
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<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> IF YOU USE TOOL to convert vrml2 to GM, try reverse normals and maybe inverse textures.
These options are under VRML import in TOOL.
Hope this helps and works <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
I will try. Apparently the conversion caused two problems:
1) It flips the normals
2) It moves the sails to places where I didn't put them

I'm quite sure I should be able to fix this somehow though. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
 
See attached: Better, no? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

I still need to do something about the gray foreline. I modeled that one onto the model and I added a texture, but apparently it isn't working yet. I'll have to fix that. I want that line to be blackish or brown.

As you can see on attached picture, I will also need to scale down the ship a bit. Maybe I should also decrease the number of polygons a bit, so that these models can be used on lower spec computers as well. But I'll only do that if there are big problems with the framerate. Other than that, everything seems in order. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

I am using Petros' Privateer skin for the player's worldmap ship model. I did add less sails and masts to the rigging though. I hope nobody minds about that. It saves many polygons.

I managed to fix the problem by:
1) Making all the sails and masts part of the same submodel.
2) NOT enabeling reverse normals

I did enable that option yesterday, but strangely enough, with that option enabled, the model looks fine in the tool, but not in PotC, while with that option disabled, the model doesn't look right in the tool, but does convert properly. Weird. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

Now I'll have to do the other ships for the other nations. I was thinking of using the following ships:
<b>Dutch:</b> Dutch Fleut by Petros
<b>English:</b> A royal navy Manowar or Battleship by Seb' (black and yellow)
<b>French:</b> A French Battleship by Seb' (not black and red) or a navy Corvette/Frigate by Seb' (black and red)
<b>Spanish:</b> War Galleon by Petros with red crosses on the sails
<b>Portuguese:</b> Caravel2
<b>Pirate:</b> XebecCT with black sails

I think I'll add red crosses on the sails of the Spanish ships, but no national emblems on the other ships. Instead, I will try to add flags on the sterns. I like that better than national emblems.

In the end, I want to make worldmap ship models that look like the ships in the 3D sailing mode with proper sails and masts. You should also easily be able to identify the ship's nation though.

All comments and suggestions would be most welcome. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
bloody hell nice work pieter this is just much higher then i expected
ofcourse everything is better then the toy's but what about the player's ship?
 
Looks to me like you got it Pieter. Excellent job. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
Aye, matey. Excellent work there, Pieter. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />

Cheers <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
What the...?
Pieter, you're a hero to do such amazing work with the world map ships. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />

I don't like the toy ships either so I'm glad you could do something to change them.
Keep up the good work. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
 
That's an hell of a work you did there!! i'm amazed, really, it'll be an honor to see some of my skins miniaturised like that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> Pieter,

Great work! Can't wait to see it in the game.
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> Very nice! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=159116:date=Aug 22 2006, 10:29 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Aug 22 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]159116[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
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I think I'll add red crosses on the sails of the Spanish ships, but no national emblems on the other ships. Instead, I will try to add flags on the sterns. I like that better than national emblems.

In the end, I want to make worldmap ship models that look like the ships in the 3D sailing mode with proper sails and masts. You should also easily be able to identify the ship's nation though.

All comments and suggestions would be most welcome. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
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One way to make them easily identifiable would be to color the sails.

Not very "realistic" but they are, after all, Map ships.
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Pieter i can help you with a royal navy man o war, i have already skinned one (put in game) i only have to check if it works and put it on the ftp.
 
<!--quoteo(post=159124:date=Aug 22 2006, 04:53 PM:name=Cpt.YuKe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cpt.YuKe @ Aug 22 2006, 04:53 PM) [snapback]159124[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
bloody hell nice work pieter this is just much higher then i expected
ofcourse everything is better then the toy's but what about the player's ship?
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The ship on the picture IS the player's ship. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=159150:date=Aug 22 2006, 07:27 PM:name=Jack Black)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jack Black @ Aug 22 2006, 07:27 PM) [snapback]159150[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
I don't like the toy ships either so I'm glad you could do something to change them.
Keep up the good work. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
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CouchcaptainCharles already did do a good job at the current worldmap ship models, but they can still do with some improving. I'll continue work on this mod, but it'll take a while before it's done. I don't have that much time anymore.

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That's an hell of a work you did there!! i'm amazed, really, it'll be an honor to see some of my skins miniaturised like that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
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It would be an honour to be allowed to use them. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=159189:date=Aug 23 2006, 12:00 AM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Aug 23 2006, 12:00 AM) [snapback]159189[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
One way to make them easily identifiable would be to color the sails.
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That's an interesting idea. I'll keep that in mind if I won't be able to make the flags work properly. But I have high hopes that the flags will work just fine. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />

BTW: Do you mind me using some of your ship skins for this mod?

<!--quoteo(post=159256:date=Aug 23 2006, 02:18 PM:name=Thomas the Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thomas the Terror @ Aug 23 2006, 02:18 PM) [snapback]159256[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Pieter i can help you with a royal navy man o war, i have already skinned one (put in game) i only have to check if it works and put it on the ftp.
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Hasn't Seb' made one yet? I don't really care which ship I use, as long as it's a big Royal Navy Battleship. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
 
I haven't touched any manowar yet <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> maybe soon <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />


private joke > It's an honor for to allow you to use my skins for such a mod :p
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />:pieter may i be so bold <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" /> you nice moddeling skill
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> so maybe you can build a new ship personal when you have time <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
wish you suc6 with the mod <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/danse1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":dance" border="0" alt="danse1.gif" />

1 thingy i don't understand pieter
if you dont like fleuts why don't you take a spiegel retour ship for holland
 
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