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According to the stock game I always took it the war was over at this point after the liberation of Oxbay. Silehard recaptured the town overnight while Nathaniel was in jail with whatever ships and those four soldiers Wilfred and Ewan Glover brought ashore.
True; you can indeed get quite the madness and mayhem...
Ooof; and that is even WITH us deliberately limiting certain weapons to certain time periods so you wouldn't get ALL of them active at the same time.
It was a fun archipelago.
Haha; fair deal!
Exactly; I do believe that was the general idea.
Yes, that's a weird little detail leading absolutely nowhere. "Those are heavy accusations but I'm going to ask Governor Silehard about the frigate" - NO YOU DIDN'T
I always assumed that was the ship that sank with the treasure on board; off the coast of... Douwesen, I think?
Storywise, that first would need to be added.
I got that same impression about Danielle.
Perhaps I'm way off here, but I always assumed that was Nigel Blythe's own ship...
Absolutely, Danielle is of course the "elephant in the room" here. Would be interesting to know more about her and Hawk.
I used to think that "frigate" specifically referred to a smaller warship, usually with a single gun deck, but I've since learned better. That certainly became the standard age of sail definition from about the mid-18th century. But from the Wikipedia article Frigate:
That ship was a 100 gun 1st rate, even after its refit. (And in the modded game, Silehard's ship is renamed Sovereign of the Seas.)
Then you probably want to try out Build 14, which allows you to capture and keep both the Black Pearl (now looking more like the one from the film) and Silehard's ship. You never get any treasure from the temple - remember, it blew up before you could find any gold. There's no alternative storyline allowing you to remain loyal to Silehard and take revenge on Danielle for her attack in Rheims' house. But you can certainly conquer the Caribbean for Britain, or take over towns for the pirates, or put your own officers in charge as governors and fort commanders and take over towns for yourself.
Especially since the liberation of Oxbay probably didn't involve a sea attack on the fort. The English army went in through the back door - remember, you put them ashore so that they could attack from land.
Same here. We've had calls to make the story more like the film and calls to remove all film-related material entirely. Me, I'd like to keep it as close as possible to the original release. It's a work of art in its own right.
Nigel Blythe isn't involved in this quest. The ship at Douwesen/Bonaire is a pirate barque, the Sirena. It probably belongs to Alistair Garcilaso, head pirate at the fort there.
The bit about Khael Roa only opening at certain times is just to prevent you from going there and finding the temple before the proper point in the story. You're not supposed to wander in and find the statue before Clement has done his translating! But one thing does puzzle me. When you enter the temple, Danielle says that everyone should go down different passages. Somehow she and Clement then get to the alcove before you. What ought to happen is that, since you're the one following the route which actually leads to the alcove, they both get hopelessly lost. Splitting the party is an amazingly bad strategy at this point!
Yes, the "Sirena" is one of Garcilaso's ships and has the stolen antique collection Silehard originally ordered aboard. And it sinks near Douwesen if you chose to attack it at sea during the "Retrieve the art collection for Silehard" quest (or however it is called exactly), you then have to salvage the antiques via dialog with a crewmate.
You're right.
Well, the Nathaniel arc IS a prequel to CotBP.
Always the same story.
I think it was the "Sirena" I was thinking of then.
The game itself is proof enough.
Technically it should've done, really.
There may be an inconsistency here. Artois Voysey's dialog says that Blythe had learned of a wrecked ship with treasure and was on the way there when his own ship was wrecked. This implies that the ship with treasure is a different one. But if you play Nigel Blythe's quest instead, you meet his former boatswain Florens Clauss, who says that Blythe's ship, filled with treasure from a Spanish galleon, is the one on the beach behind the waterfall.
Perhaps you mean Clement Aurentius?Clement Aurentis? Hey, you said you remembered all the names.
But I suspect that @BathtubPirate means the man mentioned both by the mine commander and by Leborio Drago, the mine slave whom you free (or at least, promise to free) in exchange for information. The original clay tablets were destroyed in a landslide but before that, a young man made copies of the tablets and then sailed away. White-haired Clement is probably not that man. 
(There's a dialog file named "Rene Dutruel_dialog.h" which makes for interesting reading - maybe that's the man in question...)More likely someone picked the name of a famous English 100 gun ship of the right period because the original name, "Belette", was also used for one of the French ships guarding Oxbay.Huh...that's interesting. So the modders named it Sovereign after deciding that the "frigate" that Ewan Glover mentioned had to be Silehard's ship, and finding out that a real ship named "Sovereign of the Seas" was both a frigate and had 100 guns?
The episode with Tobias and Rabel was, as I understand it, not related to the recapture of Oxbay. It happened there but the object there was Rabel's defection and the taking of his frigate.
I don't think it is Clement. After the visit to the Isla Muelle church library, Danielle (and after her Hawk) look for a man who copied the text found in the Oxbay mines on paper before it gets destroyed. I always believed him to be a different, unseen character than Clement Aurentis. Clement only comes in later when they need someone to translate the text.Clement Aurentis? Hey, you said you remembered all the names.
You're right, but that wasn't the land attack on Oxbay, it was just the british regiment getting ashore to hide out and prepare for the land battle and they're caught on the spot by a french patrol. Unlike @Grey Roger I also think there was a naval attack involved. After returning with Tobias and Rabel, Silehard declares Hawk is to participate in the liberation of Oxbay, I always assumed this meant he should help in the attack from the sea while the soldiers attack from land. But as you say, Hawk spends the night in jail anyway so over the course of that night, Silehard recaptures Oxbay anyway with whatever ressources. As I said, judging from the scene with the french patrol the english regiment only consists of four or five soldiers.
Thanks for the clarification! The Nigel Blythe version of the quest is very unpolished anyway, at the end there is this Maxwell guy coming out of nowhere explaining things and then there is Florens Clauss who has weird ties to both the Quebradas Costillas store and the Douwesen shipyard as well als what seems like an unfinished spin-off quest where he gets kidnapped by the crew of Alistair Garcilaso! But in my head-canon it was always Blythe's ship...
This complements what I said, they are clearly two different men and the scholar who copies the text is just never seen in the game. Also there wouldn't be such a 'mystery' around him if it was Clement who literally lives next to the mine.Perhaps you mean Clement Aurentius?
The only way you get to this point is if you put Nigel Blythe in command of a ship, which he steals when you get to Isla Muelle. Maxwell is supposed to be a crew member from that ship. So he knows you because you originally owned the ship, but you don't know him because he's just some random sailor. I don't know about a spin-off involving Alistair Garcilaso. Having said that, I'm going more by the modded game, in which Nigel Blythe's quest was finally made to work after a lot of effort. If I remember correctly, I had to cancel something in the shipyard because I had no idea what, if anything, it was supposed to do.
There's another stupid but cute detail there that I always loved. The mine commander (or was it Leborio?) says something like: All the tablets were destroyed in a landslide except one, but that one was also destroyed.
So all but one of the tablets were completely destroyed. The remaining one was broken but legible. But we're now looking for parchment copies, not the actual tablet(s).Mine commander said:
Nathaniel Hawk said:
Danielle Greene said:
Nathaniel Hawk said:
So did Danielle somehow get hold of an actual tablet and then make the copy herself? Or did some young man make the copy, possibly named Rene Dutruel? Or possibly Rene Dutruel took an actual tablet rather than a parchment copy, then Danielle robbed him. (And note that "when I find the treasure" - not "when we find the treasure".)Danielle Greene said:
Aah yes, it makes more sense when Maxwell was a sailor from the ship the player gave Nigel, I was always thinking of Nigels original pirate ship.
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case "continue1":
NPC_Meeting = "1";
d.Text = DLG_TEXT[32];
Link.l1 = DLG_TEXT[33];
Link.l1.go = "continue3";
Link.l2 = DLG_TEXT[34];
Link.l2.go = "exit1";
if(makeint(PChar.skill.leadership) > 200)
{
d.Text = DLG_TEXT[35];
Link.l1 = DLG_TEXT[36];
Link.l1.go = "exit2";
}
break;LAi_group_SetCheck("bandits", "Come_to_papa"); case "continue2":
d.Text = PCharPhrase(DLG_TEXT[37], DLG_TEXT[38] + GetMyAddressForm(NPChar, PChar, ADDR_CIVIL, false, false) + DLG_TEXT[39]);
Link.l1 = DLG_TEXT[40] + GetMyName(NPChar) +DLG_TEXT[41];
if(CheckAttribute(Pchar, "Quest.Story_OxbayCaptured"))
{
Link.l1.go = "No ships";
}
else
{
Link.l1.go = "Shipyard";
}
Link.l2 = DLG_TEXT[42];
Link.l2.go = "quest lines";
Link.l3 = DLG_TEXT[43];
Link.l3.go = "continue3";
Link.l4 = DLG_TEXT[44];
Link.l4.go = "exit";
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