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Concept for Nation.strength attribute

Universities here are crazy, and they're all saying how they want to be more European. But they're far too America: exactly much of what you described in Spain (and I'd expect they'd be equivocal; I had a mate from my undergrad who studied in Alcala de Henares a year), and moving even more toward a corporate grind style system... the stupid president here at McGill even says she wants the school to be more corporate.

So I've been reading with fondness this 1960s literature about `self-styled`, totally independant schools...

Good to see you KAM. I've some mod questions, about your shipberthing and stuff, I'll get into later, if I don't forget.
 
thanks alan, good to see you all again too <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> be glad to help you with any `mod-type` questions.

that's interesting - in britain european education is seen as more rigid and shallower (though much broader), but in canada european education is seen as freer. hmm. i'm lucky because my uni is very `over-subscribed` and they can completely ignore the industries' point of view on what education should be.

inez - by the way, where are you from? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />
 
I second Inez on both counts; thank you for explaining that, most interesting; and agreeing that rote learning is an awful expensive way to make a computer out of a perfectly fine mind.
{Or, if one does have a lecture, hold a discussion period after. Because _that's_ when the learning's done.}

In re theories of national character (and note this becomes rather essay like, and more assertion than description...and may be too political for some, so be warned.)

It was at one time the fad (and still is, for some) to speak of nations as having character, as people do; and to speak of nations, cultures, civilizations, as following cycles, of vibrant youth and decadent and fading later years, pushed aside by a more vigorous upstart.
This also usually went hand in hand with racism, social darwinism, and other such tripe*.

*Well, perhaps tripe is too harsh for the theory of cyclical civilizations, but I see that--or at least, that idea applied on an _individual_ level ("The Turk", "The Spaniard")--in about the same light as the others.

Place in the sun refers more specifically to Imperial Germany, who deserved, in the Kaiser's words, "her place in the sun"*--and thus generally, the idea of a vibrant new empire displacing (an) old and failing one(s).

*colonies, basically, as that was the Coinage of Empire.

But as I implied earlier, I am firmly of the materialist school of history (well, mostly...), and thus my view is necessarily thereby influenced.

My basic (and more germane) point was that--whether one believed that Spain was weakening in comparison because of her* decadency and aging or its* mismanagement and dwindling resources, is immaterial; it is sufficient that the /outcome/ was that weakening, and we need not delve into the reasons to make our system.

*Interestingly the personification of nations, of imbuing nations with personal characteristics, I think most profoundly expressed itself in the use of personal _pronouns_ for nations; either female in that case, or male in the case of "The Turk" or "The Spaniard" etc.; but nations is perhaps the wrong word because while now we make more distinction between nation and culture (the former may overlap the latter or vice versa), culture and nationhood were, in the minds of those who imbued both with said anthropomorphism, much more closely interlinked. And expressed in such disparate yet similar ways as Bismarck's Kulturkampf--And CCC and Inez I hope you will correct me if I screw up the name or the reference, or both--and US Progressives' efforts in standardized education (and the Pledge of Allegiance).
The idea that a nation could not be great if its people were not united in thought, the nation as one giant person, dies a hard death.

{Ah, and what was I saying about lectures? Well, lectures and discussion, though for that we should probably mosey on over to the OT forum... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> }
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->inez - by the way, where are you from<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Germany. Though I must admit that I was in university when most of you folks weren't even born. Nowadays they're trying to make it much like the american system.
 
But a friend in Stendal tells me it's still a `specialized-training` sort of thing for now, and that was one reason she's hesitant of going into college now that she finished high school. Or maybe she was talking about that grey area between high school and college; it's CGEP in Canada (dunno what that stands for), a sort of transition programme, and not really anything like it in the states. But they really idealize education, especially here in Quebec, and a lot of students, raised on government `hand-outs`*, are crying foul since the provincial government cut $103 million from outright gifts and put some instead into loans (and heaven forbid they should have to work a while to repay it). The most extreme, during these vehement protests over the past month, want free education for all. All of <i>them</i>, anyway...

* Americanocentric way for me to put it, but I have no sympathy: They charge foreign students three or four times as much as natives, and continue to raise our fees so the Francos can still get the same classes for `dirt-cheap`. Remind me again why I came here?

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My question about your shipberthing mod, Kieron, was whether you might consider adapting it for a "send prize ships home" feature. To have to stop my plundering every three captures and land somewhere is a bit vexing to a greedy captain like me.
It could be as simple as enabling the option while at sea, instead of only when on land; and of course there could still be limitations of your number of officers, not being able to do it while engaged in battle, and maybe only sending them to islands where you have a letter of mark. Or it could be more involved, made into an acquired skill, and maybe a candidate officer for captaining a `solo-journey` prize ship would have to have a minimum leadership and/or sailing ability... and maybe random things could happen on their journey home, like the prize sinking or getting recaptured, thus losing you the ship and your officer.
 
Re. universities: at least the German ones could do with a bit more corporate spirit: they are being stifled by government control and red tape, and the bureaucracy wastes much money that science and teaching lack.
Though they still provide the free for all education that other countries lack.

Re. national character: I dislike the very concept of the Nation (with BIG N) as determining factor for public and political life. IMHO it's an artificial idea of the 19th century and has brought mankind nothing but bias and war. We Germans once were the best example for that.

Re. the original topic, if anyone still remembers that <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
<!--`QuoteBegin-Kieron`+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kieron)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--> only problem would be that if winning battles adds strength and strength helps to win battles, maybe there would be a tendency towards polarisation?[/quote]
Ah, Kieron, the famous <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> interface expert is a back <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
Quite possible that this could create an instable system, and if the gamebalance tilts too far we'll have to employ the events that Nathan proposed to correct that.
Though I think that some polarisation would even be benficial to the gameplay. After all my intention was not to create a simulation of realistic political developments, but only to add some spice to the gameplay. And the best spice would be if some nation would be so desperate that it would pay anything for your support, and only your heroic effort could avert the total defeat
 
Kieron, perhaps if you have some time, a Wiki article on creating or modding an interface would be MOST helpful to us mere mortals (speaking of course for myself only) who stumble along not quite knowing where to begin... ???

(hint hint!) <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
I second that <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
(even more subtle hint )
 
Heh... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/guns.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":2guns" border="0" alt="guns.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boom.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":boom" border="0" alt="boom.gif" /> Even MORE subtle hit <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/slap.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":slap" border="0" alt="slap.gif" /> ...err... HINT! :Q
 
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
Thirded.
But only if you have the time and inclination. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
Well yes, naturally. That's why I said, "if you have the time"... We all know how valuable time is when there simply aren't enough hours in the day! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/urgh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":urgh" border="0" alt="urgh.gif" />
 
Quite right, you did. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" />
Argh, but I should read better. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />
 
in 2010, I'll probably still be trying to fix my Sneaky Trader Mod!

Good find, eheh
icon_mrgreen1.gif
 
So, the original post about how strong a nation is, could well fit in with the "new ranks" topic.
Can we "blend" them?
 
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