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Concept for Nation.strength attribute

Alan, CCC, wondeful!
Exactly what I'd like to see as well!
And Captain Hammered also suggested implementing a _sea_ side coast guard for `anti-smuggling`, either you being searched...or you being given the job of searching others' cargo!
 
Ah, I like that idea! Very good! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />
 
About the "anonymous" encounters I suggested, I´d also like to give the pirate´s ship icons on worldmap the ordinary white sail look, so you never know whether the "ship" is a merchant fleet, a couple of warships or a pirate. It also had the advantage that the black sail icon could be given to the player´s ship, so it´s immediantly recognizable. I sometimes get confused which of all the little ships is actually mine <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
Heh, GMTA. That's a mod I just did--now you can select between `all-show`-nation, `pirate-show`-nation, `none-show`-nation, and `show-no`-`ships-at`-all.
 
What´s the effect, ships of the selected nation can´t be encountered on world map? Or don´t you just get no information about the ships you meet? The latter would be perfectly what I envisioned.
 
You see no models, otherwise unchanged. You may see smoke from combat, though ( I can't recall). So the only way to find a merchant (i.e. `non-follow`) ship is if you blunder into one and the `upper-left`-`hand-corner` icon pops up.
You still get the `pop-up` screen with the info.
If you want to change that, open interfaceboal_map.c.
Find each totalinfo = ******* line, and change to limit the info (i.e. change all to ships, or change it to just merchants, warships, or a group, whatever).
then find:
<!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->      if(sti(rEncounter.Nation) != PIRATE) totalInfo = totalInfo + " flying the colors of " + Nations[sti(rEncounter.Nation)].Name;

     else totalInfo = totalInfo + " flying the Jolly Roger";<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
And comment out both lines to prevent showing of nation name.
Lastly find totalinfo += ".";
And below that you will see the prefacing remarks; change those to taste too.
 
Interesting idea, to be sure. It´ll make encounters much more random, instead of being able to follow a ship icon until it´s daytime, say, you´ll have to decide _right now_ whether you want to engage or not. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />
 
How can I see whether or not I have the weather guage in PotC? I mean, wind direction isn´t shown on the map screen, or is it? The only thing I can see from the map screen is the daytime, so I might wait until it´s day before engaging, but then, it might still be foggy.
 
Hi, all. I am sorry Charles I don´t share your eagerness for that idea because I think it only brings an imballance and muddle into the current game. If I would modder I would concentrate completely on different matters in the future. New good quests, new islands, correction some unperfections in quests and interface, improving some curent ships or their replacing with better designs and so on. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
 
No need to be sorry, we simply can't all share the same preferences and tastes <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Good ideas you ahve there, we certainly need that as well <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" /> As I always use to say, nobody has to wait for others to make HIS ideas come true in PotC <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> All you need for a quest is characters and dialogs, and there are tutorials for both. The same applies to ships <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" />
 
(if yous will permit me to bring up a dead thread <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> )

*well* cool idea, ccc <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />

maybe there should also be slight 'tendencies' in there, based on history? spanish and portuguese power slightly on the wane, british slightly on the rise, etc

only problem would be that if winning battles adds strength and strength helps to win battles, maybe there would be a tendency towards polarisation?
 
Re the second first. Yes, and it's the same problem we have now with town economies. That is, that they have no stable equilibrium, nor really can they reach one, since the factors are so tied together that once change begins it increases itself.

Thus my thought (and I forget whether I mentioned it), that when a nation's strength goes too low it seeks allies, and when a nation's strength grows too great, others take notice and ally against it.

Now the trick is that, keeping to realism, a poor nation has not so much to give to allies; and this was not the epoch when Britain _consciously_ sought a Balance of Power...

But then again, the balance of power _in our local 'pelago_ is not tied so tightly to that of nations, and thus it is not so unlikely to assume that a nation that does poorly _locally_ may yet have the strength to send a `counter-invasion` fleet and return the _local_ status to balance.

And also that though fighting itself was widespread, the wars and their _actors_ remained constant only shortly; so in that too I think we have some help.

And lastly to take your point of trends of fortune of nations.
While one may argue at length what the trends were, and how preordained they were (let alone whether one applies theories of "peoples" and time in the sun, rather than pure materialism and the gradual realization--that is to say, the gradual making use--of a nation's Wealth in resources and people, I think this is both a good point, and also _useful to us_.
In that we can try to set up an equilibrium not so much by keeping everyone equal, but by starting out unequal and having the weaker parties get stronger over time, thus leading to a balanced but `struggle-prone` midgame.

I.e. rather than trying to keep a _constant_ equilibrium, which is probably much harder.
 
<img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" /> It's KIERON! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />

<b>Kieron, </b>welcome back, matey! Glad to see you back in these fair waters! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/onya.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="onya.gif" />

Have an ale or three <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":beer" border="0" alt="beer2.gif" /> and tell us what you've been up to lately! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
Ahemm <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pirate2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p:" border="0" alt="pirate2.gif" /> ..

(Facing Cat and saying)
May i do the Honor <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pirate2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p:" border="0" alt="pirate2.gif" /> ?

And I said to the pirates after that...I now present to you KIERON <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/piratesing.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock" border="0" alt="piratesing.gif" /> after his voyage and finally made back here (hehe <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> jsut like me gone for month <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> )
 
thankee cat and vassal <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> ta for the ale <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />

glad to see lots of familiar faces here, and the project still having such momentum, after so long!

with the initial burst of meeting new people when i started uni in barcelona (and getting to grips with continental european university (i would <i>never</i> send my kids there! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" /> )), and people from home and from cambridge coming to visit me, and upheavals with acommodation (also meaning i was without internet access for sometime), plus a bit of a bad patch personally, i haven't spent much time online since september. but i'm glad to be back <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />

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nathan - er... i think i sort of understood that <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> what's that about theories of peoples and time in the sun?
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i would never send my kids there!  <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I may ask `off-theme`: in what's it different from where you come from?
 
i've spent hours arguing with my mates in barcelona about the education system... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> it's a matter of personal choice, not quality or aught.

basically british education is all about depth, choice and specialisation - from 15yrs (the last 2 years of obligatory education) pupils have choice in their education, leaving some subjects to specialise in others. in the `6th-form` (when french students go to the <i>lycée</i>, and spanish students to the <i>instituto</i>, british students attend `6th-form` college or a `6th-form` in their school), students choose only three or four subjects and study them to an extremely `in-depth` level. therefore they start university at a much higher level (therefore british degrees tend to be shorter). and even within university, british students have the opportunity to miss some subjects out altogether in order to specialise and go `in-depth` in others (for example, i study languages, and at my uni i've not had to study any literature, opting to specialise more in `linguistics-based` subjects; many of my fellow students have done the opposite).

i think the continental system is the opposite - at `6th-form` level continental students have to study a massive range of subjects (`10-12`), and therefore study none of them in much detail. they can choose from a number of 'blocks' of subjects but don't have fine control over individual subjects. and at university, while they choose one subject area, they study <i>everything</i> that falls in that area (for example, a language student in barcelona has to study all the linguistics subjects, all the literature subjects, subjects in history etc. related to that language).

also, i reckon continental universities offer a much less personalised education; there are lectures where the idea is to copy down as much of what the teacher says as possible, in order to simply regurgitate it all in an exam at the end of term (and the emphasis on exams is absolutely overwhelming); also students can be asked to read a whole book or a series of articles and simply write a summary of them. a british university degree is much more focused on students' individual thought, and set much more `essay-type` exercises and research projects so students learn for themselves rather than simply teaching them the facts.

of course lots of the barcelonins i talked to much preferred the catalan system to the british one...

lol sorry i dint mean to write that much <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_eek.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shock:" border="0" alt="icon_eek.gif" /> it's because i've not been here for a while, i'm unconsciously making up for it <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />
 
Thx that you did write so much, I find that very interesting. I totally agree about the last paragraph on universities.
 
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