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Ships I am working on.

goooood. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=228098:date=Dec 27 2007, 02:26 PM:name=SeaNorris.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SeaNorris. @ Dec 27 2007, 02:26 PM) [snapback]228098[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=228092:date=Dec 27 2007, 07:20 PM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Dec 27 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]228092[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->SeaNorris.

Could you post the cannon.gm models you use?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am not at my computer at the moment but as soon as I get home I will, is it the resized cannon you want as they were originally from theBlackPearl model.
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I trust that you haven't forgotten.

As for size, just what fit on most Fleuts and galleons.

Also, could you isolate the cannon barrels as they appear through the hull on lower decks?
These would be without carriages.
 
I have been learning how to texture map in 3ds Max the past few days and here is the fruits of my effort, this hull will be the basis for a true rigged brigantine not an Hermaphrodite as I am still working on. This may be a pirate ship as the deck has been made flush and extra guns installed, it will have more cargo space than the Brig's and also a larger crew. These pics are a early work in progress, I have finished the hull model but the rig needs a lot more work to get right (more trisails between the masts etc).

Things still to do:

Hermaphrodite Brig (22 guns): Finish adding deadeyes, make walk file and fix ship stats.

Brigantine (24 guns): Fix all rigging, add deadeyes, make walk file and fix ship stats.

Any more suggestions welcome <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/BrigantinePic1.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/BrigantinePic2.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
now that you remind me of it, i'd best put it down here: how about making a snow? the snow is a lot like the shnyava, it has roughly the same rig, including the extra mast attached to the main, but the sail proportions are less outrageous. like on the brig. of course, it could be better to just replace the hull of the shnyava with that of the brig and call it a snow. i've no idea why there's something like a shnyava in the game anyway. on the other hand, there's chebec's too, of course.
 
Very pretty, SeaNorris. Looking forward to her. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
Here is a picture showing the deck which I have made flush by removing the roundhouses and adding an extra two cannons. The best thing is it works great in game as there is no walking through the new cannons. I have also got a picture of a standard Brig to show the differences <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/BrigantinePic3.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/OriginalBrigPic.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
This isn't quite as important as it would be in real life, but those two new cannon you added... it wouldn't be wise to add them. If fired, there wouldn't be enough space for recoil.
 
<!--quoteo(post=232993:date=Jan 8 2008, 04:48 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgan Terror @ Jan 8 2008, 04:48 PM) [snapback]232993[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->now that you remind me of it, i'd best put it down here: how about making a snow? the snow is a lot like the shnyava, it has roughly the same rig, including the extra mast attached to the main, but the sail proportions are less outrageous. like on the brig. of course, it could be better to just replace the hull of the shnyava with that of the brig and call it a snow. i've no idea why there's something like a shnyava in the game anyway. on the other hand, there's chebec's too, of course.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Hi Morgan,

AFAIR the Barbaresque pirates raided not only Iceland but also N. American coast during or close to the games time period. Don`t know what ships they actually used, but chebeques were very good designs.

BTW, a quest line for Moroccan or Algiers pirates could be something outrageously fun and interesting.

Final aim to establish territorial presence and acquire even more plump blondes for different reasons...

Regards, Oldtimer
 
i'm not sure about chebec's, but i know that galleys wouldn't have made the passage to america. even in relatively calm seas, the waves would be sweeping across the deck. with bigger waves, the rowers would often be up to their waist in the water. they wouldn't have survived the bigger waves of the atlantic. i'm talking about 17th and 18th century galleys though. anyway, chebecs are pretty low too. they might have made it though, because of the higher gunwhales and hull in general.
 
<!--quoteo(post=231815:date=Jan 4 2008, 08:02 PM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Jan 4 2008, 08:02 PM) [snapback]231815[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=228098:date=Dec 27 2007, 02:26 PM:name=SeaNorris.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SeaNorris. @ Dec 27 2007, 02:26 PM) [snapback]228098[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=228092:date=Dec 27 2007, 07:20 PM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Dec 27 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]228092[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->SeaNorris.

Could you post the cannon.gm models you use?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am not at my computer at the moment but as soon as I get home I will, is it the resized cannon you want as they were originally from theBlackPearl model.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I trust that you haven't forgotten.

As for size, just what fit on most Fleuts and galleons.

Also, could you isolate the cannon barrels as they appear through the hull on lower decks?
These would be without carriages.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Here are two gm files, one is the cannon with carriage the other is without carriage they should show correctly:
[attachment=1551:Cannons.zip]
 
<!--quoteo(post=233185:date=Jan 9 2008, 07:56 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgan Terror @ Jan 9 2008, 07:56 PM) [snapback]233185[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i'm not sure about chebec's, but i know that galleys wouldn't have made the passage to america. even in relatively calm seas, the waves would be sweeping across the deck. with bigger waves, the rowers would often be up to their waist in the water. they wouldn't have survived the bigger waves of the atlantic. i'm talking about 17th and 18th century galleys though. anyway, chebecs are pretty low too. they might have made it though, because of the higher gunwhales and hull in general.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Hi Morgan,

AFAIK the chebeque is a sailer, admittedly low built. This because it was supposed to be rown if absolutely necessary only.
AFAIR they had no oarsman benches, just leg holes in the deck.
Which points to secondary role of sweeps and no galley slaves on board.

Regards, Oldtimer
 
<!--quoteo(post=233208:date=Jan 9 2008, 09:32 PM:name=Oldtimer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oldtimer @ Jan 9 2008, 09:32 PM) [snapback]233208[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->AFAIK..
AFAIR..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=233206:date=Jan 9 2008, 02:27 PM:name=SeaNorris.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SeaNorris. @ Jan 9 2008, 02:27 PM) [snapback]233206[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=231815:date=Jan 4 2008, 08:02 PM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Jan 4 2008, 08:02 PM) [snapback]231815[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=228098:date=Dec 27 2007, 02:26 PM:name=SeaNorris.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SeaNorris. @ Dec 27 2007, 02:26 PM) [snapback]228098[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=228092:date=Dec 27 2007, 07:20 PM:name=Petros)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petros @ Dec 27 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]228092[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->SeaNorris.

Could you post the cannon.gm models you use?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am not at my computer at the moment but as soon as I get home I will, is it the resized cannon you want as they were originally from theBlackPearl model.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I trust that you haven't forgotten.

As for size, just what fit on most Fleuts and galleons.

Also, could you isolate the cannon barrels as they appear through the hull on lower decks?
These would be without carriages.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Here are two gm files, one is the cannon with carriage the other is without carriage they should show correctly:
[attachment=1551:Cannons.zip]
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry to report, I tried the barrel and it crashes the game.
 
yeah, i figured that's what they meant. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> anyway, i don't know if they used chebecs to get there. they might have been able to do it. but using sea-going vessels would have been a wiser dicision.

by the way, did you know that european oar-powered vessels awhere for about 75% or more found in the mediterranian? this was because of the low swell and lack of wind there. it allowed for using oars, and it was just more practical to use because of the frequent lack of wind. galleys where used in the mediterranian for a very long time. however, they where poorly armed. a story accounts of a frigate defending itself against 49 galleys, destroying them all. that's why they dissapeared. they just didn't have the power to match with modern warships.
 
<!--quoteo(post=233234:date=Jan 9 2008, 10:05 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgan Terror @ Jan 9 2008, 10:05 PM) [snapback]233234[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->yeah, i figured that's what they meant. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> anyway, i don't know if they used chebecs to get there. they might have been able to do it. but using sea-going vessels would have been a wiser dicision.

by the way, did you know that european oar-powered vessels awhere for about 75% or more found in the mediterranian? this was because of the low swell and lack of wind there. it allowed for using oars, and it was just more practical to use because of the frequent lack of wind. galleys where used in the mediterranian for a very long time. however, they where poorly armed. a story accounts of a frigate defending itself against 49 galleys, destroying them all. that's why they dissapeared. they just didn't have the power to match with modern warships.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Hi Morgan,

sure I know abt. this. I agree that using a conventional sailer for Atlantic crossings is the WISE decision. What I`d really like to know though, is what ships did the Barbaresqe pirates use for their Atlantic raids.
Maybe someone in the community knows.

Regards, Oldtimer
 
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Sorry to report, I tried the barrel and it crashes the game.
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Petros,

I found out how to get the cannons to work as a locator,here are the files again they should work now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

<a href="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/Cannons.zip" target="_blank">http://seanorris.googlepages.com/Cannons.zip</a>

<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/LocatableCannon1.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" />
 
This is a gunboat or gunbrig now but its not a brig anymore with this big gun on board mate. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=233409:date=Jan 10 2008, 10:10 PM:name=SeaNorris.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SeaNorris. @ Jan 10 2008, 10:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233409"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I found out how to get the cannons to work as a locator,here are the files again they should work now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/LocatableCannon1.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Some month ago someone asked if all visible cannons on ship couldn't be seperated models that would be loaded seperatly from the ship model, that for being able to actually see different cannons models depending on what type of cannons you've installed onto your ship. Seeing what you've managed to do SeaNorris, I think we could consider that question again.
 
<!--quoteo(post=233409:date=Jan 10 2008, 10:10 PM:name=SeaNorris.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SeaNorris. @ Jan 10 2008, 10:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=233409"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Sorry to report, I tried the barrel and it crashes the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Petros,

I found out how to get the cannons to work as a locator,here are the files again they should work now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

<a href="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/Cannons.zip" target="_blank">http://seanorris.googlepages.com/Cannons.zip</a>

<img src="http://seanorris.googlepages.com/LocatableCannon1.JPG" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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These do work in game. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
I hate to continue bothering but ...

...there is still the dark texture problem the cannons form the Tool also show.
And these are form the Pearl, they have the touch hole off center just like the ones in AOP.
<img src="http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/7888greeb/1087563.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Is there any way to isolate a "lower deck porthole with cannon barrel" from one of the stock POTC ships?

SeaNorris, Kazeite, can this be done?
 
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