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the best soundtracks from tortuga bay are tracks 1,3,4,7 (although that one's only nice for certain parts), 9 and 12. in the case of track 1, it takes a short while before it starts to sound nicer. they all have a kind of piratey or tropical tune to them. track 12 has a good build up, and is one of my favorites, although the beginning is not so good. the one annoying thing about it is the tingly noises later on, but it's not that bad. track 13 is more of the track used for the climactic end-battle, and is not bad either.
 
I take it the bad music download links are due to do the problem with pieters pirate page?

Just checking, i fancied seeing the extra songs from DMC
 
Yep; my site's down and so are the files I stored on there. Including the music files. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
 
so are the files on the FTP accessable or not? those music files are on the FTP as well, i think.

oh wait, the ftp didn't wrok anymore either, did it?
 
FTP still works. The PotC extended soundtracks were not on the FTP, but on my own webspace so they're unavailable for the time being. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
I'm sorry I can't add much to this thread, but I know that Mercer really has a feel for the soundtrack and it sounds like many others also have an appreciation. Music is very important to a movie in many ways and that is not lost on me. I only wish I could add more insight to this.
 
Any thoughts you might have, would be interesting. I know what kind of music I like in films, but that is quite different from the route they went for PotC. For our film I'd like to have some sort of good blend between old style orchestral music (what I like) and the more modern sound used in the current PotC movies in such a way that it does give the sound of the pirate movies of past days, but with a modern touch.

You have seen a lot of the old pirate films, haven't you, Old Salt? I only ever saw a very small amount of them: Treasure Island, Mutiny on the Bounty (both ones) and Cutthroat Island. So I think you could give some valuable insight in the usage of music in the old pirate films and perhaps comment on their appropriateness and effectiveness. I think for many modern films, people are convinced that the music must sound modern with pop elements and synthesizers and stuff for a modern audience to appreciate the music. And I really wonder if that is true. Can't a modern audience appreciate the sound of the past? After all, it has a sort of timelessness that "computerized" music definitly doesn't have.

But those are the thoughts of someone whose main taste in music is good, orchestral film music. I wonder what "modern" people who listen mostly to pop, rap, rock, etc. think of this. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
heh. i haven't seen any of the old pirate movies at all. besides, they hardly ever show up on tv either.
 
That's the main reason why I have hardly seen any of them either. VERY annoying. All the good old movies never show on TV and are hardly available on DVD as well. Grrr! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whippa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":whipa" border="0" alt="whippa.gif" />
 
I haven't. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops3.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":eek:ops2" border="0" alt="oops3.gif" />
 
Different subject everybody, shouldnt we discuss possible music cues here for HTC script? Just like what theme you would think would benefit the scene. If not then we dont have to.
 
We could give it a shot, though probably the director would go with his own ideas, but it wouldn't hurt and if they are good enough they may go with it.
 
I think we should try and get as complete a picture of what we want for the film as possible. So that includes selecting music for the temp track, comments on what themes we'd like and also perhaps try and make some temporary storyboard with screenshots from computer games and drawings and such. So I agree with Mercer that we indeed should do some brainstorming on the music as well. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

Personally I'd suggesting doing two things:
1) Selecting music for the temp track (this can come from any film; doesn't matter which - it's only meant to show the mood we're aiming for)
2) Comments on the actual film soundtrack (what theme goes where and what new themes do we need?)
 
Okay, i know a lot about music, so i can compose some themes, that are transcripted from another theme, in other words i will be taking the davy jones theme and put it in a different key to make it sound different, there are a lot of ways to do this, move it up a key, take out the b-flats used in almost EVERY song of Zimmers. Here is a list of what songs i have learned to play on the piano:

Hoist the Colors
The Medallion Calls
He's A pirate (Later changed for Drink Up me Hearties)
Davy Jones music box tune
Davy Jones plays his organ
At Wits End (The Davy Jones music box part starting at 4:00 and the heavy brass part)
One Day
Drink Up Me Hearties (First Part)

Other songs that aren't POTC:
Variations on a Classical Theme
Fur Elise
The Gathering storm
Fandango

I am currently learning:
The Bretheran Court
Second Part of Drink Up me Hearties
(Not really trying hard on this one because it is a re-write of the Medallion Calls)
I've Got my Eye on you
And the one to top the scales, and i will be personally impressed if i ever learn it:
****I Don't Think Nows The Time***

If you would like to see a sample of the song played using a good software program (even though its only a SAMPLE) Go to Musicnotes.com and type in: Pirates of the Caribbean and look through the songs. (You might be prompted to download musicnotes player, do it, its only a 5mb program. Each note will light up red as it is played.
 
I think the film should start with a lot of "proper" music, like the Beckett theme that uses the harpsichord (sp?) and all, something that sounds large and grand. But as the movie continues, it grows darker and more closely sounds like the EIC themes we here in DMC and AWE, giving the effect of "maybey they arent the <i>Honourable</i> East India Company afterall..." Eventually, we'd switch over to swashbuckling and exciting stuff like 'Up is Down' and sort of mimick Jack's transformation. I think we should also use Davy Jones' theme to an extent, as it sets up his backstory, but it should be stuble and not be as iconic as it is in DMC and AWE.
 
Remember, the music of Davy Jones in DMC and AWE reflects Jone's personality at the time, he is torn by anger, love, and sorrow. Commodore have you downloaded the Heart of Davy Jones by chance? If so i think we should focus on woodwinds, and lay off the brass. His musicbox, however, is ESSENTIAL, that tune is mesmerizing. I also would like another organ scene, except it wont be as...evil as the other one, this one will be happier, organs in general sound sad, but it is possible to coax a good tune out of it. This could provide contrast, and help reinforce his change in DMC and AWE, he went from the happy character to an evil character.

On the entrance i think Becketts theme with the harpsicord supplemented by the strings would work well, the harpsicord, however must have many flourishes, because i hate opening a movie with quiet music from ONE instrument, either use the orchestra or dont. The harpsicord by it self is used as background music, like when Norrington brought the heart to Beckett in DMC, there are things going on in the scene, and so music isnt loud or complex. Since all we are showing is a helicopter view flying down a road to London i think loud grand music like the Commodore recommended would be best. Also the EITC theme relies heavily on heavy brass, and strings. Their battle scenes must have very intense brass variations of the song, try "Just Good Business" from Pieters soundtrack files. Thats a good pile of music that wasnt barely used. I think they WAAAY underused the EITC theme in DMC and AWE. We must take this into account.

Sparrows theme shouldnt be as...reckless as the other movies, it should be somewhat proper in the beginning, then slackening little by little until the end when it goes straight to Jacks good old theme. I think Jacks theme is one of the best in the entire film. It HASNT been underused. We also need a new piece to set an original work for JUST this movie, like the Hoist the Colors theme in AWE. Thats pretty much the music. We need to expand on other ones, and discuss possible changes to it. (I can help explain it for anyone who doesnt understand).
 
<!--quoteo(post=232891:date=Jan 8 2008, 01:39 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Jan 8 2008, 01:39 AM) [snapback]232891[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think the film should start with a lot of "proper" music, like the Beckett theme that uses the harpsichord (sp?) and all, something that sounds large and grand. But as the movie continues, it grows darker and more closely sounds like the EIC themes we here in DMC and AWE, giving the effect of "maybey they arent the <i>Honourable</i> East India Company afterall..." Eventually, we'd switch over to swashbuckling and exciting stuff like 'Up is Down' and sort of mimick Jack's transformation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sounds good. We shouldn't go too dark though. The music for PotC 2 and 3 contributed greatly to the seriousness and drama of those films and I really don't want the for HtC.

<!--quoteo(post=232891:date=Jan 8 2008, 01:39 AM:name=Commodore John Paul Jones)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Commodore John Paul Jones @ Jan 8 2008, 01:39 AM) [snapback]232891[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think we should also use Davy Jones' theme to an extent, as it sets up his backstory, but it should be stuble and not be as iconic as it is in DMC and AWE.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->It should be in there somewhere, but not very much. Only in the Jack meets Davy scene and then pperhaps in the battle later on. So that's one small statement and one or two bigger ones.

<!--quoteo(post=232941:date=Jan 8 2008, 03:28 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Jan 8 2008, 03:28 AM) [snapback]232941[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Their battle scenes must have very intense brass variations of the song, try "Just Good Business" from Pieters soundtrack files. Thats a good pile of music that wasnt barely used. I think they WAAAY underused the EITC theme in DMC and AWE. We must take this into account.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Agreed. The EITC/Beckett theme must be properly used in HtC. "Just Good Business" sounds pretty serious though, so I'm not sure how much of this we should actually use. I think the final battle can be a bit more serious than the rest of the film, so it could go there. But it shouldn't become too serious.

<!--quoteo(post=232941:date=Jan 8 2008, 03:28 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Jan 8 2008, 03:28 AM) [snapback]232941[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sparrows theme shouldnt be as...reckless as the other movies, it should be somewhat proper in the beginning, then slackening little by little until the end when it goes straight to Jacks good old theme. I think Jacks theme is one of the best in the entire film. It HASNT been underused.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->What "Jack's Theme" do you mean? "The Medallion Calls" or the "He's a Pirate" main theme? I think the main theme was somewhat underused in PotC 2 and 3, but definitly not in PotC 1. As far as "The Medallion Calls" goes, I think that's a brilliant track and possibly the best-scored scene in the first film. Unfortunately I DO find that music VERY overused. I'd much rather have heard something different during Jack's entrance scenes in PotC 2 and 3. It's like the composer was unable to come up with something new and just reused that old music. Unfortunate; most unfortunate.

<!--quoteo(post=232941:date=Jan 8 2008, 03:28 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Jan 8 2008, 03:28 AM) [snapback]232941[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We also need a new piece to set an original work for JUST this movie, like the Hoist the Colors theme in AWE.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->New themes are definitly required. Probably Nathaniel Edwards would deserve a theme of his own, considering he is the main new character. Perhaps there could be some interesting development in the theme, with Jack's theme and Nathaniel's theme becoming somewhat more merged as they become friendly, but then they are torn apart again as they both end up on different sides. Then perhaps also a theme for the French pirate. The Beckett/EITC theme would also almost qualify as a "new" theme, because it's so underused in the other films.
 
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