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Petros: Oops, missed your post as I was writing. I think by 'big pirate' Pieter means 'the big cheese, the pirate-in-chief' rather than anything physical...
 
Nathan: Copying all cases to all anims is not a question of work (now that I do know how) but a question of file size. And if you want to get rid of the ani distinction, we'd have to make a completely new ani file and then change the code for all the stock models.
Certainly doable, but I'm not sure we want that.
Apart from that we'd still need different .ani files pointing to different .an files, because the .an files also contain the skeletons (the bone positons), which are different for men/women and models of different size.
 
Question on female animation for the post build 12.

Will I need to update all my female models on ftp?

Second question, just to do it right:

1 Load character in tool with Woman_sit.an for Danielle clones eg. India
and Man_Woman_sit.an for "male to female conversion" models eg. Claire

2. Save the model and rename.

Is that it?
Am I missing anything?
 
Petros:
No, you needn't change anything at all in the models. The *code* needs to be changed to use the new animations. But with the new model system I'm not sure either what we'll have to do...
 
<!--QuoteBegin-NathanKell+Jul 13 2005, 03:37 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NathanKell @ Jul 13 2005, 03:37 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Lass: Good to hear you're feeling better! (And I hope it continues). <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I second that! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Petros: one slight point. Is there any way to make him, um, fiercer? He looks kinda too /nice/ for Jurcksen... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
{mostly in the mouth; the eyes and eyebrows are OK I think}
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Getting this guy to look meaner is a problem since I started out with him being even nicer!
Oh... I just might chuck Jurcksen on this run and go with Rheims!
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Inez Dias+Jul 13 2005, 03:54 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Inez Dias @ Jul 13 2005, 03:54 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Petros:
No, you needn't change anything at all in the models. The *code* needs to be changed to use the new animations. But with the new model system I'm not sure either what we'll have to do...
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:: Petros wipes sweat from brow ::

Thanks Inez!
Phew, OK, I stand down on that for now.

This will give me more time for skinning!
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Pieter Boelen+Jul 12 2005, 08:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Jul 12 2005, 08:18 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bugs that still need to be fixed with certain models:
- Missing locators for Beatrice, Ladyinred, Fanielle, Nobleman and Nobleman2 (might be more, but these are the ones I found)
- Not sitting yet: Danielle, Daniell1, Daniell2, Daniell3, Ladyinred and DanTG3, but this is easily fixed by setting the woman_sit ani in the initModels.c file.
(Not sure if Ladyinred should use the woman_sit ani file though. Should she? I believe I saw strange things happening to her hands when using man_woman_sit, so I think woman_sit should be the right one. And what ani should Beatrice use? man_woman_sit or man? It seems to be man at the moment... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> )<div align="right">[snapback]123282[/snapback]</div><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Beatrice - I got my "curved" version of her, but perhaps I should make her use the man_woman.an as well now... Still fixing odd things too. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Ladyinred and Fanielle - I have been working on and off on head-swapping in C4D on those, not all done yet (doing too much). <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

Nobleman and Nobleman2 should be easy enough - save Blaze's locators, load these models, apply locators, save and there you go. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Danielle and the rest, you are right there.

I do believe Ladyinred is all woman though, heh - based on Danielle, as it is. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> So, she uses woman.an actually, and would thus use woman_sit.an...


Eek, so much to do and so little time, heh! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> And yet it is strangely fun! I must be losing it... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Inez Dias+Jul 12 2005, 03:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Inez Dias @ Jul 12 2005, 03:51 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nathan: Copying all cases to all anims is not a question of work (now that I do know how) but a question of file size.  And if you want to get rid of the ani distinction, we'd have to make a completely new ani file and then change the code for all the stock models.
Certainly doable, but I'm not sure we want that.
Apart from that we'd still need different .ani files pointing to different .an files, because the .an files also contain the skeletons (the bone positons), which are different for men/women and models of different size.
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Sorry, I mean just so both sets of ANIs have the same names for each anim tree, not that all models would refer to the same ANI file.
So like you could give Poortype to a woman or Officiant type (barmaid? whatever it is) type to a man and not have to check sex.

(The poorman type is needed because that's what we use for stunned characters).
 
I've already changed the ani lines in initmodels to refer to the correct animations (for all danielle-based models).
Beatrice since she uses the male skel I've left at man.ani.

Petros:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Getting this guy to look meaner is a problem since I started out with him being even nicer!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Actually--heh, don't throw away the original nicer version--I may just use him as pchar myself. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />

I think he does, aside from the mouth, look very fitting indeed for Jurcksen--but whatever works for you. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
Petros, he looks quite respectable as he is! But maybe that's the problem? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
OK here are the choices:
First is possible Rheims, second is possible Jurcksen.

:: for better Jurcksen see later post ::
 
<!--QuoteBegin-NathanKell+Jul 13 2005, 09:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NathanKell @ Jul 13 2005, 09:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Heh. Ironically, I find the second 'nicer' than the first, the roles reversed...
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I think that is just due to the camera angle, the first being what you see during dialogue, and the second is a first person, screen shot.

Anyway, got your e-mail and I'm back to the drawing board! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/poet.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hmm" border="0" alt="poet.gif" />
 
The email was just an idea on how to make him meaner is all; don't take it as anything more than idle thought/brainstorm in the chance it'll (further) spark your creative juices. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
(wow but that's a disjointed array of metaphors/phrases...)
 
first is a good Rheims, but the 2nd Jurksen <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
About the female models:
I made a new modpack update available, including a lot of female locator fixes and supposedly with almost all women being able to sit properly, except the skirted ones. It might need some testing though.

To High Sea Lass: I am a bit hesitant to try and add locators to files. The last time I tried, I got results that would scare even Doctor Frankenstein. I really hope you would be able to do it. If you could just add the locators to the files, then at least we'd have that fix in the modpack. Then improved versions might replace the old models at some later stage. Adding the locators to the files isn't much work, right? Just an idea; never mind if you don't want to.
BTW: Didn't you have some sort of fixed Fanielle head file or something like that? I thought I once heard you talk about that... <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
And would it be possible to create a head file for the Bmunk.gm skin? <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-NathanKell+Jul 13 2005, 12:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NathanKell @ Jul 13 2005, 12:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The email was just an idea on how to make him meaner is all; don't take it as anything more than idle thought/brainstorm in the chance it'll (further) spark your creative juices. <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
(wow but that's a disjointed array of metaphors/phrases...)
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Oh no, on the contrary, I took it as great help, thanks! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

I was able to get a much better idea of what I was doing wrong with the eyes!

How's this?
 
Hey, now /there's/ a mean-n-nasty dude indeed! <img src="http://www.piratesahoy.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
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