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Limiting ships to certain nations

Also: Why are Warships (Fearless) and Lineships (BlackPearl) the same class as Frigates and Corvettes? Does anyone think that these should use different classes? I would propose the following:
Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
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Class 3: Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut, Caravel, Pinnace [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec, Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 5: Sloop, Galeoth [slightly larger boats]
Class 6: Barque, Yacht, Lugger [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane [eeny weeny tiny little things]
 
<!--quoteo(post=220156:date=Nov 4 2007, 10:00 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 4 2007, 10:00 PM) [snapback]220156[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also: Why are Warships (Fearless) and Lineships (BlackPearl) the same class as Frigates and Corvettes? Does anyone think that these should use different classes? I would propose the following:
Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
---------
Class 3: Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut, Caravel, Pinnace [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec, Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 5: Sloop, Galeoth [slightly larger boats]
Class 6: Barque, Yacht, Lugger [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane [eeny weeny tiny little things]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes for separating Warships and Lineships from Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes
 
<!--quoteo(post=220156:date=Nov 4 2007, 11:00 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 4 2007, 11:00 PM) [snapback]220156[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also: Why are Warships (Fearless) and Lineships (BlackPearl) the same class as Frigates and Corvettes? Does anyone think that these should use different classes? I would propose the following:
Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
---------
Class 3: Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut, Caravel, Pinnace [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec, Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 5: Sloop, Galeoth [slightly larger boats]
Class 6: Barque, Yacht, Lugger [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane [eeny weeny tiny little things]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WOW! I am seeing silly things here. Two times class 5? That is... weird. Better merge class 5 with class 6 then, I think:
Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
---------
Class 3: Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut, Caravel, Pinnace [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec, Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 6: Barque, Yacht, Lugger, Sloop, Galeoth [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane [eeny weeny tiny little things]

Only now there's rather a lot of ships in Class 6 and only one in class 7. Perhaps this would be better still:
Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
---------
Class 3: Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut, Caravel, Pinnace [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec, Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 6: Sloop, Galeoth [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane, Barque, Yacht, Lugger [eeny weeny tiny little things]
 
<!--quoteo(post=220189:date=Nov 5 2007, 12:15 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 5 2007, 12:15 PM) [snapback]220189[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Class 7: Tartane, Barque, Yacht, Lugger [eeny weeny tiny little things]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

For a new game, we could start only with a ship Class 7 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
Will be this new classification included in Build 13 update 5 ? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
I don't know. Nobody really knows what will be in Build 13.5. For now I'm just working on my Build 14 Alpha 8 WIP version. And I need input from your guys on my ideas. There's no point in me doing lots of work on the reclassification only to find that it is not what you people want.
 
<!--quoteo(post=220224:date=Nov 5 2007, 03:58 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 5 2007, 03:58 PM) [snapback]220224[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't know. Nobody really knows what will be in Build 13.5. For now I'm just working on my Build 14 Alpha 8 WIP version. And I need input from your guys on my ideas. There's no point in me doing lots of work on the reclassification only to find that it is not what you people want.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I don't make a mistake, in the internal Settings file, there is an option to limit some ships to the pirates. With this new classification, we could limit the pirates to the class 3 (corvette and frigate). So, that would be more realist.
 
That would indeed be my intention: No class 2 and class 1 (eg big bad navy ships) for pirates.
 
I cast my vote for a big "agreed!" on Pieter Boolen´s suggestion.

If there is any room for alternatives, we could divide ships classes into tonnage or hp

(right here I would have made my point clear bigtime visually, by creating a list (which I cannot find unless I get myself involved in a lot of work by going through all the shipclasses ingame and write their tonnage and hp down)) <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
I intend to make a full list of all available ships over the coming week or so. But classifying ships by tonnage and hp is too complicated for me. I'll just go and change the ship classes.
 
how about classifying them by guns, like the real ships? it doesn't have to be entirely correct of course, but classifying them by guns could be a good method too.
 
Pah; too complicated. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

So are there any ship types that should be exclusive for a certain nation? Examples could be:
- Caravel for Portugal
- Galleon for Spain
- Fleut for Holland
- Xebec for pirate

Any thoughts?
 
<!--quoteo(post=220189:date=Nov 5 2007, 07:15 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 5 2007, 07:15 AM) [snapback]220189[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Only now there's rather a lot of ships in Class 6 and only one in class 7. ...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It was that way since stock POTC.
Really, the Tartane isn't in the same league with the Barque, Yacht, Lugger, Sloop, Galeoth, either in crew, cargo capacity, hull strength, or guns.

I like your second list.<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
---------
Class 3: Galeons, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut, Caravel, Pinnace [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec, Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 6: Barque, Yacht, Lugger, Sloop, Galeoth [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane [eeny weeny tiny little things]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
 
Indeed it always was like that in Stock PotC. How viable would it be to add a Class 8 for tartanes? Why are there tartanes in the game anyway? They're useless, really. Some don't even HAVE cannons and the ones that do can still be sunk in a second. The player doesn't even start the game with a tartane. So most players would not ever use a tartane in their game. Would there be something we could think of to give tartanes a purpose?
 
So that would make:
Class 1: Battleships and Manowars [really big navy ships]
Class 2: Warships and Lineships [pretty big navy ships]
---------
Class 3: Galeons (Spain), Pinnace, Frigates and Corvettes [big merchant ships and average-size navy ships]
Class 4: Fleut (Holland) and Caravel (Portugal) [relatively big merchant ships]
Class 5: Xebec (pirate), Schooner, Brig [relatively small fast and agile navy and pirate ships]
---------
Class 6: Barque, Yacht, Lugger, Sloop, Galeoth [small boats]
Class 7: Tartane [eeny weeny tiny little things]

Any thoughts on what could be the nation-specific ship type for England or France?
 
the tartane is the lifeboat. apart from that, gunboats are fun. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> although the cannons are pretty much redundant unless you screw them up to 24 or 18 pounds, which isn't actually possible on such a small ship.
 
<!--quoteo(post=220276:date=Nov 5 2007, 03:29 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Nov 5 2007, 03:29 PM) [snapback]220276[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->...They're useless, really. Some don't even HAVE cannons and the ones that do can still be sunk in a second. ...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some? In stock none of them did!

Only with the addition of the Gunboat (Fred Bob) and later the War Tartane (Maximus -Slib) do we see guns.

Another point, Cutters will have to go in somewhere.

<!--quoteo(post=220277:date=Nov 5 2007, 03:29 PM:name=Thomas the Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thomas the Terror @ Nov 5 2007, 03:29 PM) [snapback]220277[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would place the pinnace in with the galleon.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Super Pinnace yes, but the stock 20-Gun ones should not be.
 
Please note: Several of the ideas I post (and not just in this thread) are not nescessarily GOOD ideas, but I want to generate some discussion on the subjects!

True, Petros. Originally Tartanes didn't have guns at all, making them even more useless. Except as lifeboat as Morgan Terror pointed out.

I think Cutters could go in with class 5 or 6. They're pretty much similar to Sloops, aren't they? I think they actually ARE sloops, but with their rigging changed a bit. We only have two Cutters in the game at all though, as far as I know. One of which is a Royal Navy one.
 
the cutter is a lugger hull with a small sloop mast. basically a really small sloop. i would rate it a class 6.
 
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