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Archea

Archea

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One of the things that have been bugging me about AoP is that we dont have the big flags on the stern, to be honost i hope that will be added someday.

Anyways, the other thing that i've kind of been wanting to change is the dutch flags on the ships,
so i'm going to edit the textures for it, because in my eyes its time for those dutch flags to get the VOC - Dutch East India Company logo added.
 
Have at it mate!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
Come to think of it, what flag would the English have at this time? *don't have game yet* The Red ensign? Or the Cross of St. George *not sure if this is the name of it* or the British flag *minus the red stripes of course*
 
Aside of the fact that the texture editting is allready done now, its time to get it working and make some screenshots,
which of course i'll post lateron because t'is as they say: "t'is better to share the rum then drink yourself to death on your own" <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />

I noticed that the bountyhunter flags are present as well, a fun flag to be honost
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/bounty.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

(Aside of all this, talk like a pirate day has begun over here) <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

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Come to think of it, what flag would the English have at this time? *don't have game yet* The Red ensign? Or the Cross of St. George *not sure if this is the name of it* or the British flag *minus the red stripes of course*
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That would be this one: <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/english.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />



(Dont mind the bad coloring around the flags in these pictures i'm posting btw, its the alpha layers behind the textures)
 
WHy don't yu use the Dutch west India company logo instead ... would make more sence tough

just a taught <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

and Archea is right about the flags ...

The St james cross (unionjack wibout the red stripes) dates from 1606 if i'm correct , howerver it was rarly used be4 England and schotland formed Britain in 1707

It was a royalflag (where as the king of England also was king of schotland since the reign of James I of England AKA James the VI of schotland) and could be found on some Royal schips, but generaly both English and schots ussualy used their own national flag
 
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WHy don't yu use the Dutch west India company logo instead ... would make more sence tough

just a taught <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Good point actually since thats more around that area, and aside of that, the dutch west india logo is a bit more bidirectional, which would solve a problem with the flags which cant be equiped with the voc logo

thank you for the tip <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow" border="0" alt="bow.gif" />

aside of this, i'm cought up in texture editting again, so i might as well change the ugly dutch logo on the sails into something better looking and more accurate <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/poet.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hmm" border="0" alt="poet.gif" />

My only concern is that i have more pictures and artwork from VOC to work with then from WIC, anyone able to help me out with that?
 
Which flag would in fact be the correct one? can you put on some links or some direct pictures here? i might be able to change those while i'm at it
 
The dutch flag should be the normal red white and blue the voc came later on but not during the period of time the game is playing.

i will see if i can find some pictures, maybe the flags we made for the pirates! game can be used
 
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The dutch flag should be the normal red white and blue the voc came later on but not during the period of time the game is playing.

i will see if i can find some pictures, maybe the flags we made for the pirates! game can be used
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I thought it was orange white and blue? Perhaps I'm thinking of the wrong century <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" />
 
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The dutch flag should be the normal red white and blue the voc came later on but not during the period of time the game is playing.

i will see if i can find some pictures, maybe the flags we made for the pirates! game can be used
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VOC was founded in 1602, to travel the asia routes,
while the WIC was founded in 1621 to cover the africa routes and the carribean as well

so actually, the game playes in exact the time of both VOC and WIC seeing it starts at 1640

thus the correct flagggg...is this one:
<img src="http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/n/nl-gwca.gif" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
 
correct it's orange white and blue, i was digging in my old files and i found the old pirates! flags , if you want to use them then go right ahead but they are in .dds format so you would have to convert them to what format u want to use.
Also a lot of pirate flags are included with ut, captain blood, black beard and a lot of other famous pirate flags.

make something great out of it, im also looking into the code in adding new flags and the choice to choose your flags.

<a href="http://rapidshare.de/files/33626340/flags.rar.html" target="_blank">http://rapidshare.de/files/33626340/flags.rar.html</a> <- for the .dds flagpack use dds converter to convert them
 
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correct it's orange white and blue, i was digging in my old files and i found the old pirates! flags , if you want to use them then go right ahead but they are in .dds format so you would have to convert them to what format u want to use.
Also a lot of pirate flags are included with ut, captain blood, black beard and a lot of other famous pirate flags.

make something great out of it, im also looking into the code in adding new flags and the choice to choose your flags.

<a href="http://rapidshare.de/files/33626340/flags.rar.html" target="_blank">http://rapidshare.de/files/33626340/flags.rar.html</a> <- for the .dds flagpack use dds converter to convert them
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i can work with both dds and tga though its easier to maintain the alpha layers with tga, i texture edit a lot, so i have enough programs to convert from one another, should work fine

thank you very much for the flags cyberops, i'm a nitpick when it comes to things like this...everything has to be perfect in my eyes, i'll be making version after version until i get it right

the first thing i am working on atm right now is the new dutch sails, i'll post a screenshot of a beta design a little lateron
 
i know what ya mean, it's great that u want to do this maybe even also do the flags for the map ? Modding a game is what makes a game even better then it already is and if we all do something even if it's something simple, even if u only translate one single line of text then ad least your doing somthing for everything. So lets keeep at it all together and make this a wonderfull modded game which will no doubt give us a lot of fun.
 
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i know what ya mean, it's great that u want to do this maybe even also do the flags for the map ? Modding a game is what makes a game even better then it already is and if we all do something even if it's something simple, even if u only translate one single line of text then ad least your doing somthing for everything. So lets keeep at it all together and make this a wonderfull modded game which will no doubt give us a lot of fun.
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if i can get my hands on good comparisons for the map flags then yes, i'll surely be more then happy to change them as well
and i only have one thing to say to your whole statement: "yahaaaarrrrr <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" /> "
 
okay, what i found out so far while editting is that akella used a pretty weird way to use sails in the game

basicly under "resource\textures" you'll find the textures for the sails
(in my case for holland these)

parus_common_holland.tga.tx
parus_pat_holland.tga.tx
parus_silk_holland.tga.tx

those should normally have the texture for the country added...

However, the problem i found with this, is that the texture for the sails country emblem is used from "resource\textures\net"

holland.tga.tx

i wasted 3 hours over this because you cant change the shape for the emblems,
well, wasted, at least i found out how it works, not its time to combine the textures i have into a, for the game, working dutch emblem (meaning i have to slaughter the dutch shield and remake it to something thats real but suitable for the game as well)
 
The temporary solution for now until i can find a way to let the game use the parus.silk.holland.tga.tx textures
(the flag is changed to the color it is supposed to have, but the WIC emblem is not yet added)
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/Dutch_Pinnace.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

The problem with using the texture for the country emblems on sails atm is that they coded the alpha layers to a certain form of the shield, which is really anoying,
if somehow the game can be changed so it starts using the files its supposed to use, or if somehow the alpha layer form coding can be removed, then i can switch the whole thing and make it look the way it should

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/Dutch_Pinnace_2.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Funny actually that the pinnace in fact is the first ship that i've noticed to have the big flag on the stern

Time for some sleep then i'll continue on editting the country icons on the map and some other flags as well
 
wonderfull job there mate, congrats on making it work <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Keep up the wonderfull work
 
So far i'm making good progress with the flags, though i still need to add the WIC emblem to the dutch one <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

anyways, aside of the flag editting i've been doing some random stuff with my test ship which is also my main ship, i dont know about you guys, but even though the corvette is the best in my eye i just love the pinnace more then anything

Its my test ship for about everything, and atm moe a paradeship then a battleship <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />

Bow Figure: its a start, but at least you can see its a lion...right? a fiercly battle scarred blown to bits by cannon shots mutilated lion, but a lion...right? (small texture error in lowermiddle)
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/BowFigure.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Stern: New window textures taken from the manowar, gives the entire thing a more grander look
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/Stern.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

BroadSide: I'm going to edit the blue into red as well and not sure what i'll do with the white yet, so far the red seems to fit the ship best so far, in comination with the gold lining
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/archea/Broadside.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Sorry about the big screenshots, i cant provide thumbnails with photobucket,
anyways, back to editting the flags
 
The red white blue doesnt arent the colors of a wic ship, under part is white, then teh biggest part is brown and with a red stripe and the others are green. Nice work though
 
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