Black Pearl or Flying dutchman

[Orion1911]

Hello, i was wondering how can i get the Flying Dutchman or the Black Pearl to play with. Is there a quest or i have to capture them.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

You buy them from Hendrick Vanderdecken on Isla da Muerta.

 

[Grey Roger]

Play the "Jack Sparrow" storyline, alias "Hoist The Colours". You play as Jack Sparrow, so it's no surprise that the Black Pearl (and its original form, Wicked Wench) feature prominently in the story. You can also capture the Black Pearl at the end of the "Tales of a Sea Hawk" storyline.

If you play "FreePlay" and choose Will Turner as your character, you should get the Flying Dutchman, though in its uncursed form. Or you can play as Davy Jones, in which case you get the cursed version, and also the curse - you can not go ashore, which restricts your gameplay severely!

 

[Pieter Boelen]

If you play "FreePlay" and choose Will Turner as your character, you should get the Flying Dutchman, though in its uncursed form. Or you can play as Davy Jones, in which case you get the cursed version, and also the curse - you can not go ashore, which restricts your gameplay severely!

You only get cursed as Davy Jones if you leave the player type on "Cursed" as is default for him.
But you can change that if you don't want it.

 

[Orion1911]

Thanks for the info, i think i'll go with freeplay cursed version.

 

[Fluen]

Is there any special trick to board the Black Pearl during the Tales of a Sea Hawk? It is a rather fast ship.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Upon seeing @Orion1911's original thread title here ("Black Pearl or Flying dutchman"), my first immediate gut response was:
NEITHER!
The AMSTERDAM!

Is there any special trick to board [...] a rather fast ship.

Be faster?
Slow her down?
Be smarter?

 

[Grey Roger]

Is there any special trick to board the Black Pearl during the Tales of a Sea Hawk? It is a rather fast ship.

Be in a fast ship of your own. You'll have trouble catching it if you're in a big 3rd rate warship. You might do better if you're in a frigate. By this point, I'm usually in an ex-French flushdeck frigate if I've found one by then, or the Mefisto if I haven't.

Or aim for its sails to try to slow it down.

Or close in as soon as possible, before you've done much damage and the crew's morale has dropped to the point where they want to outrun you. The Black Pearl is easier to board if it's trying to close in on you! (Though the boarding fight will be tougher if the enemy crew's morale is higher because that makes their HP higher as well.)

Or just use "Instant Boarding".

 

[Fluen]

Do we have a perk named "instant boarding"? Wasn't that one removed?

But I use an United States Frigate with all upgrades, so I guess, I have a chance.

 

[Fluen]

Pieter Boelen: very funny. And a good song.

 

[Grey Roger]

Do we have a perk named "instant boarding"? Wasn't that one removed?

It's not removed, but someone thought it was unrealistic, so it's normally disabled if you're playing in "Realistic" mode. If you want it back without going full "Arcade", edit "Program\InternalSettings.h" and find this line:

#define REALISTIC_ABILITIES                1        // INT  - 1=DEFAULT: Controlled by Realism Mode - 0 or 2 override the Realism Mode setting

Change that to 0.

But I use an United States Frigate with all upgrades, so I guess, I have a chance.

Yes, that ought to do it.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

Or just use "Instant Boarding".

That is cheating!
That is illegal!

Do we have a perk named "instant boarding"? Wasn't that one removed?

Depends on your chosen game settings.

But I use an United States Frigate with all upgrades, so I guess, I have a chance.

You can even upgrade that ship with an engine.

Pieter Boelen: very funny. And a good song.

Good song indeed!
But it is also wrong.
And hypocritical.
As in: logic dictates it makes no sense.
And CANNOT make sense.

 

[Grey Roger]

That is cheating!
That is illegal!

So is using a glowy ball to wipe out most of the ship's HP.

You can even upgrade that ship with an engine.

Not quite. The steam frigates, though based on "USS_Constitution", are completely different models, not an upgrade.

Most steam frigates won't be available from Vanderdecken, who only sells ships that can't be encountered or bought normally in any period. But there is one exception:

That's "Pirate_SteamFrigate", alias Kraken's Revenge.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

So is using a glowy ball to wipe out most of the ship's HP.

True.
Guess "this game" = "cheating/illegal" then.

Not quite. The steam frigates, though based on "USS_Constitution", are completely different models, not an upgrade.

Depends...
It can be if I cheat.

Most steam frigates won't be available from Vanderdecken, who only sells ships that can't be encountered or bought normally in any period. But there is one exception:

Huh? When did THAT change happen?
Last time I was Vanderdecken, he sold EVERY STEAM VESSEL PERIOD!

That's "Pirate_SteamFrigate", alias Kraken's Revenge.

Ah yes; that might as well happen.
Makes me wonder who was Vanderdecken at that time.


WHODUNNIT?

Clues:
- Pirate paint job
- French hull
- Cheating

 

[Grey Roger]

Huh? When did THAT change happen?
Last time I was Vanderdecken, he sold EVERY STEAM VESSEL PERIOD!

He shouldn't, unless he also sells all other ships that are unavailable in your chosen period. As far as I know, he sells ships for which the "CanEncounter" and "CanBuy" attributes are false. So you'll get "USS_Constitution" because it's a special ship, but you shouldn't get "US_BattleFrigate", which can be encountered if you're playing in the last two periods. Likewise, "US_SteamFrigate" can be encountered in "Napoleonic" period, but "Pirate_SteamFrigate" can not, so that's the one he sells.

Ah yes; that might as well happen.
Makes me wonder who was Vanderdecken at that time.

I admit full responsibility for the pirate retexture of the steamship. But as to who is responsible for putting into Vanderdecken's shipyard:
Another steam frigate

 

[Pieter Boelen]

He shouldn't, unless he also sells all other ships that are unavailable in your chosen period. As far as I know, he sells ships for which the "CanEncounter" and "CanBuy" attributes are false. So you'll get "USS_Constitution" because it's a special ship, but you shouldn't get "US_BattleFrigate", which can be encountered if you're playing in the last two periods. Likewise, "US_SteamFrigate" can be encountered in "Napoleonic" period, but "Pirate_SteamFrigate" can not, so that's the one he sells.

if(HasSubStr(rShip.id, "Steam"))									VanderdeckenShip = true;

I admit full responsibility for the pirate retexture of the steamship.

But as to who is responsible for putting into Vanderdecken's shipyard

Me.
Obvsly.

 

[Grey Roger]

if(HasSubStr(rShip.id, "Steam"))                                    VanderdeckenShip = true;

Fair enough. Not that it matters, they're all repaint compatible, so you can buy any one of them and then change it to any of the others in any normal shipyard. (For that reason, perhaps remove that line? Then Vanderdecken would only sell the pirate version, which you can then repaint in British, French or American schemes. At the time when that line was added, the pirate version didn't exist.)

 

[Pieter Boelen]

perhaps remove that line?

Not me.
I added it to promote testing with hybrid propulsion.

Originally I went as far as copying every SteamFrigate ships_init.c entry for this purpose; so for each "##_SteamFrigate" there was a "##_SteamFrigate2".
Then I figured that cloning is asking for trouble; so I got rid of the cloned code; and just replaced it all with that single line instead.

Perhaps you should hide it behind a "HISTORICAL_ACCURACY" toggle?

That'd be strange though.
Why would we wish to force Hendrick Vanderdecken into Historical Accuracy?
He is HENDRICK BLOODY VANDERDECKEN!!

 

[Grey Roger]

Not me.
I added it to promote testing with hybrid propulsion.

Fair enough, though as I said, you'd still be able to test hybrid propulsion anyway because the pirate version would still be available from Vanderdecken. However, I never bother with Vanderdecken anyway, so as far as I'm concerned he may as well stay as he is unless someone else wants him changed.

 

[Pieter Boelen]

you'd still be able to test hybrid propulsion anyway because the pirate version would still be available from Vanderdecken.

True.
But we'd be promoting something else.