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Pirates of the Caribbean: Community Prequel Script

I just meant I'd like to see the scene he described opening up the sequel. If we could use something like that during a ship battle scene, with the camera dropping down below the water then shooting back up above the battle, or simply just coming out of the water and far above the battle scene, that would work, though we wouldn't want to make it to similar to the opening scene.

<!--quoteo(post=217509:date=Oct 12 2007, 10:33 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 12 2007, 10:33 PM) [snapback]217509[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually i meant it for the sequel, to use his idea of going under water.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought you were talking about the battle with the Flying Dutchman at the end of the prequel.
 
No, using that during that battle would be out of place in my opinion, but it would be nice for the sequel.

So did you notice my art?
 
<!--quoteo(post=217486:date=Oct 12 2007, 04:45 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 12 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]217486[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Heres my schedual: I type the next portion we all agreed on, on Saturday and Sunday, then i post it Sunday evening. Would this conflict with anyones schedual? That is probably the most efficient way for me to do it in my position. This means the ACTUAL script, not the posting like what i am doing now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That would work. And if you post the actual script in its entirety to that point on Sunday nights, Pieter can make a link to it.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217511:date=Oct 12 2007, 10:47 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 12 2007, 10:47 PM) [snapback]217511[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So did you notice my art?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I did. For some reason I thought of the drawings that Leonardo DiCaprio's character (Jack) did in Titanic when I saw the one you did of Elizabeth. It has that quality. These were once more did in freehand? They are very good. You caught Mercer's scowl in your avatar I see. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes I did. For some reason I thought of the drawings that Leonardo DiCaprio's character (Jack) did in Titanic when I saw the one you did of Elizabeth. It has that quality. These were once more did in freehand? They are very good. You caught Mercer's scowl in your avatar I see. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, Mercers scowl that was a hard attribute to come by. And yes they were all free hand, i dont cheat and trace anything. I have a surprise for the Commodore which i will not mention. I would draw scenes for the script, but drawing from an actual picture, and out of the back of ones head and keeping the quality is a difficult thing to achieve.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217484:date=Oct 12 2007, 10:40 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 12 2007, 10:40 PM) [snapback]217484[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What about a hybrid of our two scenes? Why dont we use my music idea with the camera going under the battle when the water is shattered by splinters, and objects falling into the water Then we show the battle from above. What say you?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I would want to have some swashbuckling orchestral music during my opening scene, similar to the Cutthroat Island main title. Also I had intended with my scene to not actually show the battle at all, but to skip straight to Jack and Barbossa ashore. That being said, my original scene was not even intended for a PotC movie at all, but for a random pirate movie I had once wanted to write a script for. If we can use it for one of our scripts, fine, but if it has no place in the films, that is fine as well.

Actually, I thought up the scene for a different pirate movie, unrelated to PotC. The idea was to open the film as I said and then show a scene of pirates searching treasure. Then the film would move backwards in time (eg "5 years earlier" or something like that) and the rest of the film would work up to the climax already hinted at in the opening scene. I never did get really far with this idea.

<!--quoteo(post=217488:date=Oct 12 2007, 11:44 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 12 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]217488[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here are my latest drawings, one of the ever Evil Mercer, and the Bonita Elizabeth<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Impressive! I wish I could draw like that! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=217508:date=Oct 13 2007, 04:31 AM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Oct 13 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]217508[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree. By all means post it, and write down the page number its on in the thread in case it gets buried. You will never know when it might suddenly become relevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->If you see any posts that you think are worthwhile, say so and I'll add them to the thread index. That would prevent them getting buried and lost.

<!--quoteo(post=217509:date=Oct 13 2007, 04:33 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 13 2007, 04:33 AM) [snapback]217509[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=217507:date=Oct 12 2007, 08:29 PM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Oct 12 2007, 08:29 PM) [snapback]217507[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To tell you the truth, I'd rather see Pieter's described scene opening up a movie, and I think it would be a big statement for the sequel and a real attention getter to open it up with a straightforward scene like that The audience would really be on notice that this film is going to get their heart pumping. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Actually i meant it for the sequel<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->As did I. I cannot see it working in our current prequel story. In the sequel it might work, but if we find it has no place in there either, we can just drop it. It was just a random idea of mine anyway. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
i'm getting better at drawing things myself, and quickly too. maybe i'll try to draw something from a picture someday too. one day, i might just get as good as that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> i've always drawn by hand, but i've rarely drawn anything from a picture. i've recently noticed that i'm not very good at it though, from drawing someone sitting on a chair. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=217533:date=Oct 13 2007, 05:59 AM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Oct 13 2007, 05:59 AM) [snapback]217533[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i'm getting better at drawing things myself, and quickly too. maybe i'll try to draw something from a picture someday too. one day, i might just get as good as that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> i've always drawn by hand, but i've rarely drawn anything from a picture. i've recently noticed that i'm not very good at it though, from drawing someone sitting on a chair. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My secret Morgan: A .07 lead mechanical pencil, a pirates of the caribbean picture printed out from the internet, some chocolate chip brownies, and a hell of a lot of patience. You are very good since you drew that from your head. I see from the pistil that you are good a mechanical things. Drawing with my detail from the back of your head is one of the most difficult things i have ever tried, and failed. It is nearly impossible just to think of a face, and draw it like a perfect portrait. Now the Commodore will probably draw better pictures of ships. I am pretty good, but he is waaaaay better. I will also be drawing Jones without his tentacles and in human form so we can see him for use in the script.

Also Morgan, that drawing ability runs in my blood, my great grandfather Frank Miller worked for Disney for 12 years as an artist for many famous shows, and for the company, Warner Brothers i think it is, that made Bugs Bunny in technicolor. He worked on those for about 11 more years. So thats kind of genetic. But still my mother is his grand-daughter and she cant draw worth a crap. (Sorry mom). So just keep trying, youll eventually get it. Some people have a personal talent at a certain type of art. For instance i am good at drawing Portraits, but not landscapes. You might be good at something else than you are trying to be. It takes practice, i have never gone to art school, i tried it once and it was a waste, all we did was shade circles for 3 weeks which i had known how to do for quite a bit.
 
well, i have made a concept art picture of the pistol first. i'll try if i can put it up, but that's what i said about the brigantine i built as well. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> anyway, that pistol looks really nice, although the mechanism's a little squashed. at the moment, i'm trying a whole load of new things, like new angles and drawing people, which, surprisingly, resulted in getting a LOT better at them after only 2 drawings or so. i've also discovered that drawing the same picture twice results in a MUCH better second version, but this is of course not always possible. one good example was my signature. if i get the pistol drawing up, i'll put up my old sig as well, just for comparison. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
 
Something that I find helpful is getting very intimate with the subject. I build models, so I know how each part of a sailing ship fits, what it does... which helps you understand why it has to be there. You suddenly find it hard to neglect a detail because then you would be sitting there saying "Well, If I don't draw that stay, the mast will go by the board!"
Once you've become intimate with your subject, you should be able to look at it from any angle and clearly see it on paper. I can think of the <i>Constitution</i> or the <i>Black Pearl</i> and literally see a 3D model in my head that can be rotated any way to get the angle I need. Now, I haven't built the <i>Black Pearl</i>, but if you've learned enough about a subject, like a tall ship, you can take almost any variant and apply the minor differences in detail to get what you want from it.
So if you are into flintlock pistols for example, study them. Learn how they were made, what each part is, what it does, , and how it looks when in use (closed pan or open after firing). Look up the history of flintlocks, perhaps even buy a reproduction kit that you can build yourself! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
Now on people... its a little different. That's mostly studying as many pictures as possible from different angles to "build" a 3D model of them in your head. Lots of practice and expiermenting in a sketchbook. Another helpful tip: try finding a coloring book of people and tace them. You will start to see traits and similarities in the human form and how its drawn, then you can eventually stop using the book and modify the style to fit your own (to avoid any legal issues with another artist).
 
i know from experience that that part on the model ships is very true. making entire ships from scratch with fully-operatable rigging was a great help on understanding how a ship works. adding a rope here or there can make a system a lot easier to use and/or a lot less wonky as i found out. sticking the thing out of my window when it's blowing a gale also has some very interesting results. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> that gave me a LOT of understanding on which sails to hoist and furl depending on the wind direction, and how i should brace up. i only wish those lego winches had brakes. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> if that reel starts spinning it takes quite a bit to stop it and in the meantime your yards are all over the place! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="xD:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> as for the pistols, i've looked a lot at designs for them. apart from that, due to my unusual pistol design, i had to come up with a custom trigger sytem myself. what i always try to do with a person is take a standard figure and adapt it to the person i want to draw. this can result in some really wierd results though, as you might imagine. but it seems to be working well with my own character in the scenes i draw, now i've established a more-or-less definitive appearance.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217525:date=Oct 13 2007, 06:53 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 13 2007, 06:53 AM) [snapback]217525[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you see any posts that you think are worthwhile, say so and I'll add them to the thread index. That would prevent them getting buried and lost.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good idea that index. Will do.

<!--quoteo(post=217525:date=Oct 13 2007, 06:53 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Oct 13 2007, 06:53 AM) [snapback]217525[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As did I. I cannot see it working in our current prequel story. In the sequel it might work, but if we find it has no place in there either, we can just drop it. It was just a random idea of mine anyway. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But a good one. I do think its a captivating way to start a film. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/keith.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":keith" border="0" alt="keith.gif" />
 
Old Salt, maybe that name would work for the sequel really it could, because that movie will be mostly about Jack as well since miss Knightly and miss...ahem...mister Bloom dont want to be in amy more. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=217596:date=Oct 14 2007, 05:41 AM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Oct 14 2007, 05:41 AM) [snapback]217596[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pirates of the Caribbean: The Sparrow Flies.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd suggest ammending that to 'As the Sparrow Flies', a pun on the expression 'As the Crow Flies' denoting the most direct route between two points. However the title ought to be more than clever wordplay, but be indicative of the plot in some manner...and I haven't the foggiest as to what that is.
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />

Is there, perchance, a summary of points that have been decided and agreed upon? As stated at some point in the past, I have at present insufficient time to devote to reading through all the posts and attempting to make sense of the discussions.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217642:date=Oct 14 2007, 12:59 PM:name=Cpt Fabris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cpt Fabris @ Oct 14 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]217642[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is there, perchance, a summary of points that have been decided and agreed upon? As stated at some point in the past, I have at present insufficient time to devote to reading through all the posts and attempting to make sense of the discussions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, in the first post of this thread Pieter has made an index so you can check that out. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> As far as a summary, I guess we can come up with one to highlight the progress that has been made so far.
 
Really we are still in the beginning with Sparrow meeting Beckett for the firsti time. Oh, the new version will be delayed until tomorrow morning just so everyone knows.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217614:date=Oct 14 2007, 09:04 AM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 14 2007, 09:04 AM) [snapback]217614[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Old Salt, maybe that name would work for the sequel really it could, because that movie will be mostly about Jack as well since miss Knightly and miss...ahem...mister Bloom dont want to be in amy more. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps your right, Mercer, I was thinking of it as Jack finally being freed of his inhibitions to pursue the career he was born for. But I can see it working for Jack later on as well.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217642:date=Oct 14 2007, 12:59 PM:name=Cpt Fabris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cpt Fabris @ Oct 14 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]217642[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=217596:date=Oct 14 2007, 05:41 AM:name=Old Salt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Old Salt @ Oct 14 2007, 05:41 AM) [snapback]217596[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pirates of the Caribbean: The Sparrow Flies.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd suggest ammending that to 'As the Sparrow Flies', a pun on the expression 'As the Crow Flies' denoting the most direct route between two points. However the title ought to be more than clever wordplay, but be indicative of the plot in some manner...and I haven't the foggiest as to what that is.
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whether he was meant to be or not, he cerainly is the central focus of this continuing story, both in our scripts and the three films. I thought it imperative to have his name in the title.
 
<!--quoteo(post=217666:date=Oct 14 2007, 06:31 PM:name=Mercer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mercer @ Oct 14 2007, 06:31 PM) [snapback]217666[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Really we are still in the beginning with Sparrow meeting Beckett for the firsti time. Oh, the new version will be delayed until tomorrow morning just so everyone knows.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No problem, Mercer. I know we are only in the beginning of the script, I was thinking more of a summary of some of the other ideas that have been being bandied about for later on in the movie and for the sequel. I'll look through the thread and see if I can highlight some of those ideas and then maybe Pieter can link that post.
 
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