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HMS Dauntless

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Guys.... did you know?

Examine the figurhead in particular.
<img src="http://www.hibiscus-sinensis.com/alexraptor/feardaunt1.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Examine the stern of the dauntless in the background.
<img src="http://www.hibiscus-sinensis.com/alexraptor/feardaunt2.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

So along with will turner i guess the dauntless/fearless is another ship that never was added into the final game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
 
The figurehead looks 'bout right, but if you look at the scene where Jack and Will commandeer the <i>Dauntless</i>... its a spitting image of the <i>Victory's</i> stern. The Fearless Reminds me more of the <i>Indifatigable</i> from Hornblower than anything else.
 
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The figurehead looks 'bout right, but if you look at the scene where Jack and Will commandeer the <i>Dauntless</i>... its a spitting image of the <i>Victory's</i> stern. The Fearless Reminds me more of the <i>Indifatigable</i> from Hornblower than anything else.
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Im 90% certain the Fearless was intended to be the dauntless, but it seems to be based off the far distance shot of the overall hull, it looks like it was a work in progress but they decided not to proceed, if you compare the images you will see the rear section of the ship the fearless and the dauntless are nearly identical on a simple shiluette.
 
Aye, in simple shiluette, but not when it comes to actual structure and detail. I too, believe that Akella intended to put more PotC ships and characters into the game, but never got there.

"Im 90% certain the Fearless was intended to be the dauntless"

The movie clearly shows that the <i>Dauntless</i> was a three decker, and that it mounted up to 100 guns, though I'm guessing 98. (A first rate seems a bit large for a newly promoted Commodore Norrington.) Then, why, would Akella pierce the fearless with 44 gunports across two decks? Seems rather out of proportion to me.
 
we dont even know if the fearless was ever compleated, for all we know it was a work in progress they didnt have the time to continue work on. the whole ship is wierd and out of proportion. and consider that the game was released around the same time as the movie they may not have gotten chance to see the actualy movie and just seen one or two images of it.
 
but then again we may also need to consider that the black pearl dosent look exactly like it does in the movie either, so maybe the fearless/dauntless was compleated anyway <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
i remember there to be on the net at around time movie was release some where pictures of the all the models and ships use for movie potc. i can not find now? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":modding" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />
hms Dauntless was hms Victory in every way but scale down. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
here is story from issue of Sailing magazine that tell much information of all the ships in the Potc movie.
about hms Dauntless is almost at bottom all rest is imteresting as well? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/poet.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hmm" border="0" alt="poet.gif" />

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: The Movie
By Joe Ditler

HOLLYWOOD -- Walt Disney Films, which brought us such seagoing adventure epics as "Treasure Island," "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea," and "Swiss Family Robinson," is preparing to launch their latest attempt in the maritime film genre, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl." The film releases in July across the country, and will cross the start line ahead of 20th Century Fox's much-anticipated "Master and Commander" in an effort to fire a first broadside upon an unsuspecting moviegoing audience.

Disney's film rests somewhere in the clear and shallow waters between "Captain Blood" and "Jason and the Argonauts," but provides a most colorful vehicle for stars Johnny Depp ("Chocolat"), Orlando Bloom ("Lord of the Rings"), and Geoffrey Rush ("Tailor of Panama").

The special effects alone are worth the ride, but ships such as the bluff-bowed brig Lady Washington give viewers a special bonus as she charges across the Caribbean in search of Aztec gold.

The movie was filmed in St. Vincent and throughout the extremely photogenic Windward Islands of the Grenadines.

"Pirates of the Caribbean" is a humorous and brilliantly costumed ghost story that has nothing to do with the Disneyland ride of the same name. But for sailors, the thrills and on-the water scenes provided in this film are non-stop.

Lady Washington, which portrays the ship Interceptor, is in reality the official tall ship of the state of Washington. To get to the filming she had to make a harrowing passage south along the west coast and through the Panama Canal where ship and crew were pushed to their limits by storms.

Once in the Caribbean, production crews went to work carving cannon ports along her sides which gave the Lady's owners quite a fright. The hull was restored upon completion of the film, however, and the ship has returned to the West Coast and resumed her regular high-profile mission as a floating classroom.

The two other ships in the film, Dauntless and the Black Pearl, appear to be frighteningly realistic ships on screen, but in reality were built up from steel barges. In the end, they were dismantled and trucked away by the garbage collector -- short life span for any ship.

To accomplish such cinematic creativity the barges were affixed with bent steel frames, then concrete was laid up vertically and stained to look like aged and weathered wood. From the outside the ships appear complete at the bow and stern, and forward along both port and starboard.

The barge/ships were moved around by tugboats hidden from the camera's view. Where the re-created ships were not whole, computer imaging filled in.

Rigging and sails were added, as well as railings, helms, stairs, cannon carriages, and deck furniture, which were all fabricated on site.

More than 1,200 wooden blocks were built. And nearly 100 cannons were poured of fiberglass from silicon molds before being fitted with metal inserts which allowed them to fire explosive cartridges that spewed flames and smoke into the air on command.

Much of the realism in these fabricated ships came from Courtney Andersen, a 34-year-old ship rigger with experience on the replicas Half Moon (seven years) and HMS Bounty.

"The Black Pearl was portrayed in the screenplay as a ghostly-looking ship, more like a galleon from the late 1600s," said Andersen. "She was a sort of Flying Dutchman, destined to sail under a curse, just as was the Dutchman of legend."

Dauntless was built as a three-quarter-scale replica of HMS Victory. Both ships were about 120 feet in length. Andersen's work was so believable he has relocated to Los Angeles from New York where he hopes to serve in future ships of the Hollywood fleet. To round out the sailing scenes, small ship models were created by the special effects team of George Lucas and filmed in a water tank in the San Francisco area.

The special effects are grand, and "Pirates of the Caribbean" should be on everyone's list of movies to see this summer.
 
if thats a scale model of the HMS victory somone goofed

<img src="http://www.hms-victory.com/images/zoom/SECEBA/victory05.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

That stern is raised way too high on the image up there <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
 
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The figurehead looks 'bout right, but if you look at the scene where Jack and Will commandeer the <i>Dauntless</i>... its a spitting image of the <i>Victory's</i> stern. The Fearless Reminds me more of the <i>Indifatigable</i> from Hornblower than anything else.
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With all due respect, Sir, as a Hornblower/Napoleanic naval history/Jack Aubrey/Frederick Marryat Fanatic, it is the <i>Indefatigable</i> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" />
 
I do apologize, Sir. You must admit that the name can be tricky to spell. Most just call her the "bloody" <i>Indy</i>. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
My assumptions have been confirmed. If the <i>Dauntless</i> was built to 3/4 the size of the <i>Victory</i>, then the HMS <i>Dauntless</i> is a 98 gun second rate. She has three decks, the looks of a first rate, but not quite.
 
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Avast thar mateys, be you so kind as tew provide maybe some answers that I have wondered on, and been asked as well.

1st) Was the Intercepter, supposed to play the part in the movie as a Frigate. The two redcoats, talked about no ship matching the Interceptor for speed, and although she was in real life a brig......she was not to scale as a brig along side the supposedely towering "first rate" Dauntless......which we now know is the scaled down version of the Victory.

2nd) Also in the article above we discuss briefly about the HMS Bounty, which as far as I know was also supposed to be a Frigate in real life, books and movies. But then is the "Real floating around and going to tall ship celebrations" HMS Bounty of today a frigate or is she another ship type name so, if this be true what ship type is she?

3rd) The "Pearl" what ship type was She? the Movie made her look sorta like a Merchant/Galleon type, but be damn if I can pick her out....she is unique to say the least
 
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> Long John

(1) I think the intercepter was to portray a fast brig and was never led to be a frigate.

(2) The real hms bounty was a frigate. It was not full armed as a frigate on famous voyage as to make room for many bread fruit tree cargo. Is two hms bounty replicas sailing of one built in 1960 and one built in 1978 iirc.

(3) I think the pearl was to be a captured merchant that pirates had modify to the pirate needs as so often they did to captured ships.
 
<b>1st)</b>The <i>Intercepter</i> is in fact very much in scale when compared to the <i>Dauntless</i>. She is a brig, most likely anywhere from 90-100 feet long. (Jack Aubrey's <i>Sophie</i> was 75'. Mounted 14 small guns... a smaller brig.) Now, there are a few details to realize. The <i>Lady Washington</i> is not a military ship. Her channels prevent the <i>Intercepter</i> from actually mounting the appropiate number of guns for her size. She would have mounted 16-18 guns, had she been a keel-up built, military vessel. The <i>Victory</i> is 227'6", meaning that the <i>Dauntless</i> could be anywhere from 190' to 210', what being a 2nd rate. In the movie, the <i>Intercepter</i> seems to be 45%-55% of the <i>Dauntless's</i> length on the waterline, which sounds reasonable.
<b>2nd)</b>Actual lines show that the <i>Bounty</i> was classed as an armed transport. She mounted 4 4lbs guns and 10 swivels. Her length was 91 feet and she displaced 215 tons. She would compare to a sloop-of-war.
<b>3rd)</b>The <i>Black Pearl</i> appears to be somewhat shiprigged. She has the whole nine yards on three masts... but no driver sail. The nature of her hull suggests that she might have been a galleon, English built. (Note the buff, round, squat features, she isn't very raked and agile looking like the French, and she doesn't have a high sitting hull like the Spanish.) With all honesty, you can't class her an anything, really. She was draught up by the "Shipwrights" at Disney, a design all her own.
 
i wanted to put in my opinion on the HMS Dauntles.
although they ment it to be a scaled down version of the HMS Victory to play the part of a 98 gun second rate, they didn't stick to the Victory's design, as you can see with the figurehead [which was supposed to be special and one of a kind, since each ship has it's own figure head], but another thing that no one else seems to have noticed: the Dauntless' stern has balconies!
look at the bit where governor Swan finds the make- shift rope going down to the water, and you'll see that, unlike the HMS Victory, the HMS Dauntless has stern balconies.
i know that the ship was only "based" on HMS Victory but i wanted to point out some of the differences between the two, so that no one goes off thinking that the Dauntless was a "Mini- Victory".
 
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Avast thar mateys, be you so kind as tew provide maybe some answers that I have wondered on, and been asked as well.


2nd) Also in the article above we discuss briefly about the HMS Bounty, which as far as I know was also supposed to be a Frigate in real life, books and movies. But then is the "Real floating around and going to tall ship celebrations" HMS Bounty of today a frigate or is she another ship type name so, if this be true what ship type is she?

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<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hi.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gday" border="0" alt="hi.gif" /> there , matey.

The <i>Bounty</i> was originally a merchant ship named <i>Bethia</i> purchased by the Admiralty for William Bligh's breadfruit expedition and, at 220 tons, rated as a cutter. She was definitely not a frigate. Bligh's mission was to transplant breadfruit from Tahiti to the West Indies and for this reason a former merchant ship was chosen for cargo capacity. The rating of cutter rather than sloop-of-war meant that Bligh would remain a lieutenant for this commission and not a commander. Designated an 'Armed Vessel', she was equipped with 4 x 4 lbr carriage guns and 10 x 1/2 lbr swivel guns. She was properly referred to as <i>HMAV Bounty</i> (His Majesty's Armed Vessel) rather than HMS.

If your interested in more, check out "The Bounty - The True Story Of The Mutiny On The Bounty" by Caroline Alexander.

AFAIK, the replica made for the 1980s movie was built to the original design. She's recently been re-tracing the original's footsteps through the islands of the South Pacific and prior to that was a regular sight on Sydney Harbour.

Hope that helps there, matey.

Cheers <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/par-ty.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers" border="0" alt="par-ty.gif" />
 
Ok, just made some interesting breakthroughs.
In PotC2, the ship <i>Endeavor</i> under Captain Bellamy (Alex Norton) is being played by the <i>Bounty II</i>.

Don't know how many of you really looked when you saw the trailer, but I took this screenshot of the <i>Black Pearl</i>.
<img src="http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/_Commodore_John_Paul_Jones/pearl.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

The <i>Black Pearl</i> is a sloop of war from around 1700! Got this set of blueprints from a Pirates of the Burning Sea website. They say that this is a sloop of war, mounting 20 guns. I guess that you could say that the <i>Black Pearl</i> is like <i>Old Ironsides</i> that was classed as a frigate, yet super-sized and heavily armed for her class.

<img src="http://pirates.goha.ru/ships/sloop-of-war/sow_schematic.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
 
I decided to draw up the <i>Black Pearl's</i> lines on paint, so everyone could get a good, detailed look at her. I have done alot of reaserch, and have come to this:

<img src="http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/_Commodore_John_Paul_Jones/Black_Pearl_draught.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
 
very good! looks just like the pic a post above it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> .
p.s: i never knew the Black Pearl was a 36 gunner...
 
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