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To-Do list for Build 13

That would be great, Petros! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":woot" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" />

I want to have the entire Build 13 file done by the end of this weekend. I will first finish my BuildSettings.h cleaning and the making of some documentation to accompany the download. If I have time left, I will try to do something about the font size. Then we could use the European font by default until a proper de-Russified Russian font is made. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
 
I've contacted some of my friends, they do accept to turn themself into translators...

We will start when the Build 13 will be released.
 
Unfortunately, the old fonts are pretty ugly. I'd prefer to see the occasional odd character than have to look at ugly fonts all the time.

I even fixed the font sizes and it didn't look good enough to bother with. At least I fixed some of them, and looked at them in the game.

I'm hoping that only a few fonts will have to be changed to get rid of the Russian characters. Dialog fonts, for example, and whatever they use to display the names on the worldmap. With any luck this won't be a major undertaking.

Hook

Edit: To be honest, I'd rather change the names to eliminate all the special characters than change the fonts. I've already done that in a few places for my own code.
 
It'll be an issue for the community then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

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At the moment, names like Conceição are not displayed correctly in the game, because the Russian font is used. There are several things that could be done about this:
1) Use the original European font instead (looks quite ugly, but does display the names correct)
2) Change all these names to display correctly (making Conceição display as Conceicao, for example)
3) Change nothing and keep the problem

Option 4 would be: Make a copy of the Russian font and add the required characters in there manually. This would be, by FAR, the best solution, but somebody with graphical skills must make the new characters and add them into the font.
 
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There are several things that could be done about this:
1) Use the original European font instead (looks quite ugly, but does display the names correct)
2) Change all these names to display correctly (making Conceição display as Conceicao, for example)
3) Change nothing and keep the problem

Option 4 would be: Make a copy of the Russian font and add the required characters in there manually. This would be, by FAR, the best solution, but somebody with graphical skills must make the new characters and add them into the font.
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I agree, option 4 is the best (but I don't know how to do it)
I really don't like option 2. 'Conceicao' that doesn't sound Portuguese at all that way. And imagine all the spaniards calling you 'senor'... That's just silly. I don't see why the English alphabet should be the one used for non-english language. So please, somebody should made option 4!
 
Option 4 isn't really an option unless somebody with graphical skills wants to work on it. Until that happens, we should choose between options 1-3.

There are two fonts: Russian and English/European. The Russian one looks much better, but doesn't display the names correctly. The English/European one doesn't look as good, but does display these names correctly.
 
Pieter,

I actually favor option 2, and if we can't do that, option 1, even though the font isn't great.
 
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It'll be an issue for the community then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Add the pole question. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
Here are my thoughts.
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#1 I think this is best in the short run. B13
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#2 Involves changing most if not all the dialogue files. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bookish.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mm" border="0" alt="bookish.gif" />
Dona Estrella is just not right and Mrs Estrella is no better! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" />
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#3 Doca Estrella is by far the worse case. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mybad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":facepalm" border="0" alt="mybad.gif" />
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Option 4 would be: Make a copy of the Russian font and add the required characters in there manually. This would be, by FAR, the best solution, but somebody with graphical skills must make the new characters and add them into the font.
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#4 This is the solution for the long run, B13.1 or even B14
Probably much easier said than done, otherwise DenDee would have completed it.
It requires art work on the tga.tx files but also requires mapping each added character into the fonts.ini file.
 
I think it should be option #1 then. I'll try to get that done in a way that is not overly large. The other options are too much work for the moment. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
 
I'm going to add all code I KNOW to work and be a fix into Build 13 today. And that will be the final Build 13. Then at least we have something released. Additional fixes and confirmed working improvements can be added to Build 13.1.

At the moment I am having so much new fixes and stuff and I really don't know what I should add it in and what not. So as soon as we have Build 13 done, imperfect as it may be, we can start working on the things I didn't add into Build 13, fix these and release that as a much better Build 13.1. Otherwise we'll keep going and going without ever releasing anything. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/modding.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":modding" border="0" alt="modding.gif" />
 
I think we have about all important things from the to-do list covered:
- Stable Build 13 release: The temporary Build 13 Beta 3 seemed to work well, so if we test the real Beta 3 I am releasing later today until the weekend, we should have a good and stable version this weekend.
> Tutorial is working right
> New islands are about finished
- ReadMe file: Doober has been working on that.
- Making an installer file: I can do that now, thanks to the program Pirate_KK found.

Things left to do:
- A bit of translation work for the Russian version: Maximus will work on that. This is not going to delay the release of Build 13.
- Cleaning up BuildSettings.h: I will do this before the final release if I have time. If I don't have time, the cleaned up version will be in Build 13.1 instead. It is not going to delay Build 13. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no" border="0" alt="no.gif" />

Please post here if you know of any important things that still need to be covered. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />
 
i now use notepad++ from your site
and i would advise it to everybody its a real nice program for tweaking buildsettings
 
And for a lot of other things as well. Darn useful. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />

BTW: If you would like to continue my work on cleaning up BuildSettings.h, please do. After all, you are now the community Build settings tweaker, right? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />

If you want to do this, just check out the top of BuildSettings.h in Beta 3 and try to fix the rest of the file in a similar way. The current ordering is a bit confusing, because most settings are ordered by modder and not by category. The comments aren't very illuminating either. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
i'll do this tommorow <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> will you be on msn then to help well cya tommorow
 
Anyone have any suggestions for transferring old build settings over to an updated version? WinMerge is now useless for this because of all the reordering of settings.

I suggest sorting the files by column one, deleting any line that isn't a #define, and running WinMerge on the results. At least then we can find the changes. Unless someone starts changing the comments, in which case we'll have to delete those too.

Anyone who has played the game for any length of time probably has a number of settings that are changed from the standard settings. I have at least 20 myself. As long as the format of the buildsettings.h file keeps changing, I'll have to use the above method. Am I the only one who uses custom settings?

Hook
 
Hehehe, I never thought of WinMerge, everytime a new update came out, I went through manually and changed all the settings to my personal preferences.
 
That's easy enough to do if you're only turning off the weaponsmod and ammomod. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> But somewhere along the line someone changed a lot of the variables, like coast raider chance, and I'm still using the old values. When I'm testing code, I need to know if something I did changes the game, and if someone keeps changing the BS variables, it's hard to tell what changed and why.

There are a lot of these and every time the order gets changed on them I have to do a search for them, one by one. It's a pain.

Hook
 
I just counted. I have 62 changed lines in BS.h and IS.h with every update. It's so bad that I finally broke down and wrote a program tonight to transfer the changes. Unfortunately it's not polished enough for general consumption, and it won't handle every weird case. I still have to do some manual editing (with a good editor) once it's done. But for a 4 hour time investment I don't have to worry about it any more.

If there are any Windows C++ programmers who want to put a nice polished interface on this, let me know and I'll send you the source.

Hook
 
i problem i can't do my job for the moment because i don't have a non tweaked clean buildsettings :p
 
you know i sure want to do this but i don't want to mess it up so Pieter please tell me what you mean like putting all mods togheter??

like starting options toghether
and everything of seabattle togheter?

I still need a clean set of build settings so if sombody please can put it on the ftp <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

hook i want to earn my credit in the build and then you rip it of:( :p
 
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