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Bully Hayes

Landlubber
Okay, stuck on both the main quest and "strange things." Both have me going to the pirates island, but I get there veerybody wants to finght me, the inn keeper is scared of me. Pirate leader only wants to fight me. Same with people in the houses (Was hoping for a "trouble with the guards fix, but no go).

I have a dashing rep.
I have not taken any ships around their island.
I have gone to the inn alone.
I have sailed in under pirate colors.

I have looked for a setting to tweak but can't find one. I'm running out of ideas.

HELP

Thanks,
BH
 
<!--quoteo(post=215824:date=Sep 29 2007, 06:07 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Sep 29 2007, 06:07 PM) [snapback]215824[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is your relation with the pirates?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He he he...
Well...
They kind of HATE me. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" /> It seems I needed a ship or twenty in my younger days and they were always close.
What can I do to make amends now? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/buds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":drunk" border="0" alt="buds.gif" />
 
Uhm... Good question. Not sure, actually. Last time somebody had this problem, we didn't manage to fix it either. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
try hoisting the jolly roger when you meet a convoy of pirates by selecting 'hoist flag' in the actions menu. that usually does the trick, although i'm not sure wether it will fix the actual bug.
 
<!--quoteo(post=215879:date=Sep 29 2007, 10:32 PM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Sep 29 2007, 10:32 PM) [snapback]215879[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->try hoisting the jolly roger when you meet a convoy of pirates by selecting 'hoist flag' in the actions menu. that usually does the trick, although i'm not sure wether it will fix the actual bug.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean on the open ocean or around QC?
 
anywhere where them scum hangs out. when you meet a convoy on the worldmap and choose to 'fight' them, for instance. hoist the flag, and they should be on your side. start killing their foes (preferably a nation you're already hostile with in the first place, or the french <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" /> ) and they may even start liking you.
 
Sounds like you have some issues with the French. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/urgh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":urgh" border="0" alt="urgh.gif" />
 
How strange. Usually those kind of 'jokes' are mostly coming from Britishmen. But you're Dutch, if I'm correct? So what's the problem here? I mean you have no historical & cultural background that could explain this partial attitude! I know stock PotC was a quite a lot anti-french, but that not an excuse either... There no reason for the French to be fighted more then the others nations in PotC, and to be considered as 'the ennemy'.
 
I am Dutch and also like fighting the French in PotC and making jokes about fighting the French. I suppose this is because the French are frequently the enemy in Hornblower books and films and the Master and Commander film and in the PotC game. Nothing against the <i>real</i> French though.
 
i have something against the french in any way possible, just for the sake of complaining. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" /> besides, i need a target to train my gunners, and it would seem that those poor pirates have had enough sinking for now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
Well be carefull with the jokes. Usually French people doesn't care about it - or they pretend they don't - but it's a bit tiresome to see the British-written history everywhere. It sounds a lot like old propaganda.
Remember that the conflict between England and France was never solved, it still reappear from times to times. Of course I'm not talking about Jeanne d'Arc or medieval wars, but conflicts in economical theories : liberalism or colbertism, etc, conflicts in political theories as well, ethical issues : the status of being wealthy etc. A lot of thoses divergences appeared in the XVIII & XIX centuries. The economical developement of France was cut down under Louis XV pityfull reign, when France lost Canada and all its possession in the Indias. Later England became the great ennemy of the Revolution, and forced France to fight all over Europe - that was the Napoleonic wars, which France lost at the end. Revolutionnary ideas then died in Europe (well not in South America), and for some countries the death of old regimes took about a century or more - Austria, Spain... And Britain is still a kind of Constitutionnal Monarchy, with the Chamber of the Lords. Well, enough with that now, I think I've said enough.

You see, that's a big difference between PotC and Seadogs. In PotC even heavely modded there is still that kind of twisted vision in which the French are the 'bad ones' and the Englishmen the 'good guys'. In Seadogs you could serve any nation alike, there were just a few anti-spanish attitude in British ports but it was historical and comprehensive (after all Nicolas worked as a slave in a spanish island for a while). I'd enjoy to have more points of view in PotC : Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, even American (Commodore John Paul John, where are you?...)
 
hahaha! i'm sorry but did you actually finish the main quest? i've got just as much reason to hate those brits in-game as the french! but how come you've made the longest post on this matter while you said yourself that we should be careful with this? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="icon_wink.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=216296:date=Oct 1 2007, 03:28 PM:name=morgan terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgan terror @ Oct 1 2007, 03:28 PM) [snapback]216296[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->hahaha! i'm sorry but did you actually finish the main quest? i've got just as much reason to hate those brits in-game as the french!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds like you have some issues with the British. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
LOL. I intend no harm with my jokingly sinking of digital French ships. No offense to actual Frenchmen. I agree it would be nice to have more points of view. It seems though that it is profitable to sink French ships, because they're at war with the Dutch and I like serving the Dutch. Of course I could also try and sink Spanish ships instead. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

I think it would be nice to differentiate between the different nations. At the moment the only differences are the names and the language, but nothing else. I think we should add some more historic stuff in there with the Dutch having the VOC and WIC, the French having a revolution where the king is replaced by Napoleon, the Spanish and their gold transports, etc. That could make for some much more interesting and realistic gameplay, especially when coupled with the dynamic archipelago idea mentioned elsewhere.
 
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->hahaha! i'm sorry but did you actually finish the main quest? But how come you've made the longest post on this matter while you said yourself that we should be careful with this?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't quite get what you wrote there, I'm sorry... No, I didn't complete the new main quest yet. But I think you're talking about stock PotC, if it's the case you might be talking about the fact that you are kinda forced to turn Pirate soon or later in the game. But that's because of one single evil man : the governor... This is not an anti-British attitude, this is because you, an authentic English hero, is betrayed by some corrupted superiors, exactly the reason why Captain Blood became a pirate, or Nicolas Sharp stop serving governor Mortons. It's a romantic way to join Piracy, common in Pirate stories and that did happen to British Corsairs after the Queen Ann war (Black Beard time). It's not in contradiction with the idea of the French being cowards, the Spaniards greedy & cruel, the Dutchs ugly and all three of them stupid...

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It seems though that it is profitable to sink French ships, because they're at war with the Dutch and I like serving the Dutch.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course, there's no problem about sinking French ship - I mean I do the same when I play under Dutch flag. With the Build you are free to join whatever nation you want, and sink its ennemies!

note : VOC = Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie = Nederland East India Company
WIC = West Indische Compagnie = Nederland West India Company
Other countries had their own East and West Companies too. Indeed it would be good if all of them could be added.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the French having a revolution where the king is replaced by Napoleon<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's a bit innacurate... You mean including ingame the French Revolution. It's a lot : Louis XVI as a Constitutionnal Monarch, then the Republic, followed by the 'Directoire', the 'Consulat' with General Bonaparte as the 1st Consul, and at last the Napoleonic Empire.

Maybe it's time to think again about starting the game at different time periods, as it have been said sometimes ago?
 
With the Dutch VOC and WIC thing I meant that the Dutch are mostly known as a trading nation, so I think it would make sense to have the Dutch as a merchant nation in the game. The Spanish are known for their gold ships. The English are known for their navy. And the French are known for their revolution. We could use those notions to differentiate between the nations and give every nation some specific pros and cons. Possibly we could even use those notions to add in random events where the player can influence these things. For example: Giving the player the ability help or counter the French revolution, give the player the possibility to escort or capture Spanish gold ships or Dutch trading vessels and influence the nations' economies that way. Or for the player to join or fight the English navy. Something like that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />
 
I'm not sure Dutch are considered as peacefull merchants by everyone, you know. Spaniards and Portugueses have certainly a different point of view.

Besides, when England finally got a Navy there weren't Spanish gold convoy anymore. I would say French got known mostly for their corsairs, and for having created the rum industry into the carribean. The Revolution time is mostly interesting for the ideas - for exemple wether slavery should be abolish or not, etc. But I wouldn't mix everything into the game, it wouldn't be historical at all and the result wouldn't be very coherent. On the contrary, I'm sure the time periods system would be great.

About the dynamic economical system and all the ideas that have been said recently in another topic, I agree on the whole point.
 
Of course the Dutch haven't exactly been behaving like perfect little angels throughout the course of history. At one point the Dutch ruled the seas and it was not through being peaceful mechants. But I do think it was actually the VOC that contributed mostly to that. So in that respect the Dutch merchant company was a very important aspect of The Netherlands being a major world power for a while.

What I would like very much to have what I proposed a long time ago: That there would be various eras in the game and the game would progress from era to era during the game or the player could choose an era to start in. The game would then begin with the player being basically one of the few pirates in the Caribbean without much resistance from other nations. Then other pirates would come to join and eventually so would the navies. Then piracy would become less and the naval powers would start waging war on each other rather than on the pirates. The player can decide the be a pirate or to join one of those naval powers. I think that could make for a wonderful game, but it requires a lot of work. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
 
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