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Now who wants revised flags?

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Personnaly I prefer other centuries... When the Spanish Empire was really busy fighting the English & French corsairs, when there were lots of unsettled islands and free land...
 
yeah it has it's romantic side as well. I kinda want to play everything >.> like do the queen anne's war for a while, hten the golden age of piracy, then hit up the revolutionary war and war of 1812 and then go back to one of hte other ones when I feel like it. I just like some of hte ships <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> like you can't be having HMS victory sailing around and not have american frigates going about as well, even HMS Surprise is from that era. So is the bermuda sloop, well it was still around in that era as itplayed a bigrole in the war of independance and war of 1812.

that era's ships are a lot prettyer anyways than the galleons and caravels of queen anne's war. but we all got our interests and a lot depends on the quality of the model as well. when I'm playing, I don't like being reminded that I'm in a video game, I like to be immersed and lost in the world I'm playing in, and great models are essential for that.
 
<!--quoteo(post=190466:date=Apr 20 2007, 05:05 AM:name=Le_Sigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Le_Sigh @ Apr 20 2007, 05:05 AM) [snapback]190466[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->yeah it has it's romantic side as well. I kinda want to play everything >.> like do the queen anne's war for a while, hten the golden age of piracy, then hit up the revolutionary war and war of 1812 and then go back to one of hte other ones when I feel like it. I just like some of hte ships <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> like you can't be having HMS victory sailing around and not have american frigates going about as well, even HMS Surprise is from that era. So is the bermuda sloop, well it was still around in that era as itplayed a bigrole in the war of independance and war of 1812.

that era's ships are a lot prettyer anyways than the galleons and caravels of queen anne's war. but we all got our interests and a lot depends on the quality of the model as well. when I'm playing, I don't like being reminded that I'm in a video game, I like to be immersed and lost in the world I'm playing in, and great models are essential for that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Aye, that I totally agree with. Though I still have my oriental junks I was working on, I think it might be even more interesting to steal some models from VCO for conversion to POTC/AOP. Some real nice oriental style ships in there. **winks**
As far as flags go, I think the more the better. But thats just my insane personal opinion at work there.

Cap'n Drow
 
Problem with adding NEW nations (eg: not replacing existing nations): I think you can't make ships of new nations appear on the 3D worldmap.

To Merciless Mark: Can you please make those new flags to replace the current ones? Not flags for new nations, just the ones to replace the current ones. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doff.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doff" border="0" alt="doff.gif" />
 
working on it now, allthou i am not too happy with the Storm engine, the fact that flags are unaffected by light, makes them look rather dull.
 
I just "obtained in a completely legal and ethical manner" the game silent hunter 4: wolves of hte pacific for a nice change. it's about WWII subs. the graphics are like holy crap amazing. see, they're out making pirate games, why can't they make em look like this? the waves look right, you can sail from anywhere in the world to anywherein the world without loading screens and do it in real time if ya really wanted to, ya can compress time to like 7,000x wich is essental cause otherwise if it took 14 days to get to your destination it would literally take that long provided ya kept the game going non stop. anyways the point is that it's extraordinally immersive.

I hope that someday they can make a golden age of sail game like that. though, I'm likely to just find a way to make a living doing the real thing >.>
 
excuse me but how does this relate to this topic? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
 
well it doesn't except the part where ya said that yer ticked off at the game engine, at wich point I'm commenting about a very cool engine and expressing my hopes that some day they actually decided to make a game like this the right way for the first time in gaming history =)
 
back to topic please, MM, how far are you with those flags? PS if you have just a white flag, can I have it, so I can make some flags for meself?
 
well i got the dutch and french ones done, as well as the Blue Ensign, not to happy with the french one since it looks bit strange textured with all the small fleur the lise.

Im still not clear yet if people here would preferr the spanish tricolor or the burgundy cross?
 
Perhaps you can add one big Fleur de Lise on the French flag? Might also be better visible from a distance. Or perhaps we can use a Napoleonic French flag. I am personally beginning to like the idea of changing the time period to the Napoleonic war era, because that seems to be the same era the films are set in: the end of the Golden Age of piracy. But I think whatever we do, we should also keep a Fleur de Lise French flag for those who prefer that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

I would personally prefer to have the Spanish flag to at least have the modern colours so that it can be recognized as a Spanish flag, even if it doesn't look exactly the same as the modern flag. I don't like the Burgundy Cross much on a flag; we already have those on the sails.
 
<!--quoteo(post=191063:date=Apr 23 2007, 07:58 PM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Apr 23 2007, 07:58 PM) [snapback]191063[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps you can add one big Fleur de Lise on the French flag? Might also be better visible from a distance. Or perhaps we can use a Napoleonic French flag. I am personally beginning to like the idea of changing the time period to the Napoleonic war era, because that seems to be the same era the films are set in: the end of the Golden Age of piracy. But I think whatever we do, we should also keep a Fleur de Lise French flag for those who prefer that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":?" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

I would personally prefer to have the Spanish flag to at least have the modern colours so that it can be recognized as a Spanish flag, even if it doesn't look exactly the same as the modern flag. I don't like the Burgundy Cross much on a flag; we already have those on the sails.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Well then, i preferr the napoleonic era myself, <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" /> more decisions thou, i have a standard french tricolor, and i also have a white ensign(imagine a english white ensign but with the tricolor in the corner instead of the jack), which would ye preferr?
 
If I have to choose a flag for the French Napoleonic era, I'd say just the normal tricolour.
 
You could do a sort of cross-over tricolor. I've seen it somehwere, not sure how accurate it is: Its a tricolour with a gold fleur de lis on the white. There's another version with Napoleon's "N" coat of arms rather than the fleur de lis. There was another not so popular and widely used tricolour ensign. It was the tricolour in the corner bordered by a thin bit of red on a field of white.

What I have ben trying to point out all this time is finally being realized: The Napoleonic Era was the height of the Age of Sail. Pirates were still rampid, (though definately not the rulers of the high seas) and the navies were well organized with beautiful flags, ships and uniforms that were easy to distunguish. I can see B15... a battle at Port Royal (once Redmond) between a fleet of black and gold ships flying the Royal Navy ensign and a fleet of black and maroon ships flying the Tricolour! And ye cannot forget the black and creme ships of Holland, th black and bright red ships of Spain, the black and orange ships of Portugal, and the black and white ships of America!

About the adding new nations bit: Add the USA anyway. Our navy had 13 frigates, brigs, and sloops as of 1812 and I think it'd be legitimate to say that you wouldn't have too many run ons with the Americans. It almost solves the Napoleonic toggle. If you don't want to fight the American Revolution and the War of 1812 then you just don't play as the Americans, because you won't see them otherwise. Only bad thing is that you can't fight the War of 1812 as an Englishman. What say you?
 
I say, take 1748. If you look at the movies, the uniforms come from the 1750`s. And I better like the dutch ships with green brown, golden decoration etc more <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen1.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheeky" border="0" alt="icon_mrgreen1.gif" />
 
being on this topic anyway, rebuilding a corvette to make it look like a clipper would be nice. (it would in fact be historically accurate when picking 1748. they did look like that at first)
 
The Dutch ships should be VOC green! At least the trading vessels. Perhaps a different colour for the warships. I think setting the game in the Napoleonic era is not a bad idea. We would still have pirates aplenty, of course, but with all the big navies arising, it is much harder, challenging and rewarding to be a pirate. Not to mention the At World's End end of the golden age of piracy story. Also: With all the big navies, you can more easily recognize other country's ships (goes well with the DirectSail mod) and expect more interesting nation relation changes. Perhaps we could try to bring some of the spirit of Hornblower and Master & Commander into the game as well. Of course, all older ship types would still be in use. In general: We'd just have EVERYTHING! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wp" border="0" alt="whistling.gif" />

Adding American into the random ship encounters around islands an during DirectSail should still be possible, even if we can't add them onto the 3D worldmap. Might be nice to have an occasional American ship sailing around. One big thing we will needto realize though: Make sure certain ship types are only used by a set nation. Would anyone be willing to try that?
 
you guys amaze me.... and I really apreciate what ya guiys are working on doing here. I can't do programming or artwork like you guys but whatever other ways I can help I'll be glad to do so. Looking up image that you guys can modify for loading screens, and of course, research and stuff I can readily do. For example. the end of the golden age of piracy pretty much ended with Bart Roberts in 1722. There were of course pirates after that date, but that's generally the beginning of the end for them, the world saw what a pirate can do when he got his hands on a man of war like Roberts did and they trippled their efforts to be rid of them. Of course, also coinciding with this time was the fact that the privateers of queen annes war who were unemployed after the truce and then turned to piracy were also just retiring, or dying out from old age if not the navy. I really like the idea of the revolutionary war and the war of 1812 time periods.

oh and as for the clipper idea, while I really really like the idea of a clipper in the game, I think they deserve their own model. and I konw that's pretty darn easy for someone like me to say who doesn't have to make it, however, the corvette model has been used so much it's kinda too common now, and also just the entire shape of a hull of a clipper is very different than those ships, and the number of sails. It's kinda the same problem with adding the american frigates into the game, ya can't really use a current model for them, they used a new hull shape that you don't see in the game, and without it, it well, it just won't look right.

anyways, just shout if there is something I can do to help.



oh!!! one more thing I forgot to mention. if we are going to do anything past 1692, port royal cannot be called port royal. as it was destroyed by an earthquake in that year and now rests 25 feet underwater. You would have to name it Kingston, wich took over from port royal, and if I recall was just across the bay or harbor or whatever from Port Royal as well, so you guys could still use that same idea, just remember, it's Kingston, not Port Royal <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=191251:date=Apr 24 2007, 09:53 AM:name=Le_Sigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Le_Sigh @ Apr 24 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]191251[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->oh and as for the clipper idea, while I really really like the idea of a clipper in the game, I think they deserve their own model. and I konw that's pretty darn easy for someone like me to say who doesn't have to make it, however, the corvette model has been used so much it's kinda too common now, and also just the entire shape of a hull of a clipper is very different than those ships, and the number of sails. It's kinda the same problem with adding the american frigates into the game, ya can't really use a current model for them, they used a new hull shape that you don't see in the game, and without it, it well, it just won't look right.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

trust me, i know what i'm talking about. i have several books about clippers, and they all mention that the early clippers (from the early 1700-dreds) had the hull-shape of a corvette. the clipper as we know it today was only developed later on, and the old hull-design of the clipper had dissapeared in the late 1700-dreds. if we plan to use 1748 as the date, both clipper types would be active, although the newer one would be far more commonly used.
 
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