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Endeavour

not only that, but a sailing ship from not that much later that's lying next to it (which you can actually SEE on google earth) is almost twice the length!
 
<!--quoteo(post=223385:date=Nov 26 2007, 03:51 PM:name=Morgan Terror)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgan Terror @ Nov 26 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]223385[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the Victory's different mate. it's the oldest commisioned warship in the world. it's seen one of the biggest if not THE biggest naval battle in the world and survived, being the flagship of one the the most famous admirals of the time. it's original fore topsail from trafalgar still survives, and i've seen it, along with it's 90 shotholes. apart from that, it was one of the biggest vessels of it's time, although it's pretty small today.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wish to see that beautifull ship one day... If only there were more of them nowadays... The only thing I ever seen in England was the airport, one time I hadn't take KLM or Air France to cruise the Atlantic - that was the last time I did that, the British called me a terrorist because I was quaring a sharp pencil in my bag... Damned even after 9/11 in America I never had such stupid problems. Do you imagine taking over a plane with a sharp pencil?!? Guys were not in a James Bond movie!
About Trafalgar, I wouldn't say it's THE biggest naval battle of all time, that doesn't make a lot of sens to me ; that's how England lived that episode because they needed strong propaganda as that time... they made a hero out of the late Admiral Nelson, and they knew that this battle meant they wouldn't be invaded by 'the monster' after all. But I don't see why this naval battle should have something more than all the others? Lepante, etc... there are a lot of big ones.
 
She may be the oldest commissioned warship in the world... but the USS <i>Constitution</i> is the oldest commissioned warship in the world <i>still afloat</i>...
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":))" border="0" alt="smile2.gif" />

So there aren't any updates on this beauty? No new screenshots?
 
i'm talking about trafalgar being the biggest battle in the sense of the most ships in a single fight, not historical meaning. although i'm not that familiar with history, so there might be bigger ones.
 
As far as I know, there is no news, no updates and no screenshots, I'm afraid. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
 
<!--QuoteBegin-Morgan Terror+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgan Terror)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm talking about Trafalgar being the biggest battle in the sense of the most ships in a single fight, not historical meaning. Although I'm not that familiar with history, so there might be bigger ones.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Here is something interesting:

<!--QuoteBegin-Wikipedia+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wikipedia)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The title of largest naval battle in history depends on criteria that may include the number of people and ships involved, the total tonnage of vessels, the size of the battlefield, and the duration of the action. There are six main candidates, each said to have involved at least 200,000 personnel: the Battle of Salamis, the Battle of Ecnomus, the Battle of Red Cliffs, the Battle of Yamen, the Battle of Lake Poyang and the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

The first two occurred in the Classical Era, when ancient sources frequently exaggerated the numbers involved in warfare. This includes Herodotus, a key source for information on Salamis. Figures for Cape Ecnomus are similarly dubious. In contrast, Leyte Gulf was fought in 1944 during World War II and was accordingly well-documented.

In pre-modern battles, large actions involved numerous small galleys, rather than larger vessels like battleships or cruisers. Two battles between the Ottoman Empire and Venice are candidates for the battle with the largest number of ships of the line. In the Action of July 8, 1716, near Corfu, 87 ships were present, although most of them did not take an active part in the fighting. The following year, 85 ships took part in the Battle of Matapan.

Several battles of the First Anglo-Dutch War (1652-1654) as well as the Battle of Beachy Head in 1690 and the Battle of La Hougue in 1692 also featured large numbers of warships on each side, possibly well over 100, depending on where the line is drawn between ships of the line and frigates. Most larger fleet battles involved 20-30 battleships, as well as smaller ships, on each side.

<b>The Candidates</b><ul><li>The Battle of Salamis, 480 BC. 371 Greek ships defeated 1,271 Persian ships in this decisive battle. Greek triremes had a crew of about 200 while their small penteconters had 50 oarsmen. With 1,642 ships altogether, it is possible that 200,000 sailors, soldiers and marines may have taken part. </li><li>The Battle of Cape Ecnomus, 256 BC. Like Salamis, Ecnomus was also a single engagement where 680 ships were fighting in a very small area. Some historians accept Roman claims that Rome had about 100,000 personnel. If this is true, it is probable that at least 200,000 Roman and Carthaginian sailors and soldiers were involved. </li><li>The Battle of Red Cliffs, 208, the battle between Cao Cao and Sun Quan on China's Yangtze River during the late Han Dynasty. Cao Cao's forces numbered 220,000-240,000 while Sun Quan's fleet had 50,000 marines, the total being some 270,000 or 290,000 in all. </li><li>The Battle of Yamen, 1279. The battle which ended the Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty conquest of Southern Song Dynasty. More than 1,000 Song Dynasty warships were destroyed by the Yuan Dynasty near Yamen, Guangdong, China. </li><li>The Battle of Lake Poyang, 1363. Claimed to be the largest battle in terms of personnel. The 200,000 sailors of the Ming rebel force, commanded by Zhu Yuanzhang, met the 650,000-strong Han rebel force, commanded by Chen Youliang, on Lake Poyang, China's largest freshwater lake. </li><li>The Battle of Leyte Gulf, 1944. The largest in terms of tonnage of ships and also in terms of the area in which the action took place. United States and Australian forces included 17 large aircraft carriers, 18 smaller escort carriers, 12 battleships, 24 cruisers, 141 destroyers, smaller ships, and around 1,500 planes. They won a decisive victory over Japanese forces, which consisted of four aircraft carriers, nine battleships, 19 cruisers, 34 destroyers and other ships and around 200 planes. About 200,000 personnel were involved. Leyte Gulf was also a major air battle, and saw the first use of kamikaze planes. It encompassed several distinct actions over the space of three days, linked by the strategies of the Allied and Japanese commanders.</li></ul>

<b>Other Large Battles</b><ul><li>The Battle of Actium, 31 BC - Battle between Mark Antony, Cleopatra and Octavian for control of the Roman world; more than 500 warships were involved. </li><li>The Battle of Baekgang, 663. More than 800 Yamato ships versus 170 Tang ships. </li><li>The Battle of Tangdao, 1161. More than 600 Jin warships versus 120 Song warships. </li><li>The Battle of Lepanto, 1571 - 212 Holy League galleys and galleasses vs 272 or more Ottoman galleys, galliots etc (c. 484 or more total). </li><li>The Battle of Myeongnyang, 1597 - a large Japanese assault on Admiral Yi's remaining 13 ships. The japanese attacked with 300. </li><li>The Battle of Noryang Point, 1598, final battle to end Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598), 500 Japanese warships versus 140 Korean and Chinese warships. </li><li>The Battle of Lowestoft, 1665 - 109 English ships vs 103 Dutch ships (212 total). </li><li>The Battle of Penghu, 1683 - More than 200 Qing vs more than 200 Tungning warships (400+ total). </li><li>The Battle of Cartagena de Indias, 1741 - 186 British ships vs major Spanish fortifications and 6 warships in Cartagena de Indias (present-day Colombia). </li><li>The Battle of Vyborg Bay, 1790 - 257 Russian vs 241 Swedish sailing ships and rowing vessels (498 total). </li><li>The Second Battle of Svensksund, 1790 - 196 Swedish vs 141 Russian vessels (337 total). </li><li>The Battle of Jutland, 1916 - 151 British vs 99 German ships of the main battle fleets (250 total).</li></ul><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The Battle of Trafalgar isn't even listed! However, it may be the most glorified battle in our history, mostly because of those who were involved in the battle... Nelson!
 
Great job Razor, making the Endevour!

it had bin realy nice if you could relese an update to it.

i noticed that the "damage marks" from cannonballs on the sides are floating in the air on the sides of endeavour, any fix ?
also i think that Endeavour is a little too sensitive to the waves, any way in the ships_init i can change that?


Best regards. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/me.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":onya" border="0" alt="me.gif" />
 
The Endeavour was put into the game in a kind-of interesting way. The model came from Voyage Century Online originally. So far we have been unable to put new models into the game completely perfectly. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
 
so, is there any other models of an english navy ship of the line to POTC? like HMS Victory or Dauntless, (any others)

HMS Victory would have bean great! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />



Best regards.
 
Just rename the Endeavour to Victory and you're done. The Endeavour in our game is the same model as the Victory from Voyage Century Online. You might need to change the rigging though, which can be done with <a href="http://www.s31clan.com/privateftps/pietersmods/potc_downloads/tools/tool.rar" target="_blank">Inez Dias' Tool</a>. I would very much lke to have the Dauntless as well: It could just be a retexture of the Endeavour, since both ships are very similar.
 
<!--quoteo(post=225511:date=Dec 12 2007, 06:35 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Dec 12 2007, 06:35 AM) [snapback]225511[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just rename the Endeavour to Victory and you're done. The Endeavour in our game is the same model as the Victory from Voyage Century Online. You might need to change the rigging though, which can be done with <a href="http://www.s31clan.com/privateftps/pietersmods/potc_downloads/tools/tool.rar" target="_blank">Inez Dias' Tool</a>. I would very much lke to have the Dauntless as well: It could just be a retexture of the Endeavour, since both ships are very similar.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

yes i know! but the ship is fine, the only thing i wanted to have changed is the front, its not as glorious as it should be.
thats really is the only thing that bothers me, and ofcourse the cannons, that look like they are made of wood! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shrug" border="0" alt="dunno.gif" />

Best regards
 
But the cannons should be fixed on the Endeavour as well. As for the front: Remodeling ships is rather challening, as is making new ships. The current tools we can use are rather imperfect and cause many bugs when being used, such as the notorious "reverse lighting" effect, which means that a ship appears to be lighted on the side where the sun/moon is not.
 
of course, judging by the pictures i posted, you can also see that it's still far from perfect.
 
Ok, so how can i make new textures? or add other colors to the ship and make the cannons black?

can i make textures with GM Viewer? and How? can somebody pliz tell me?

Best regards.
 
well, i'd think that there's bound to be someone here who can help, but if there isn't, try Heretik. he told me once he'd be willing to give a modelling course.
 
<!--quoteo(post=225558:date=Dec 12 2007, 12:12 PM:name=Cpt.Meyer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cpt.Meyer @ Dec 12 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]225558[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok, so how can i make new textures? or add other colors to the ship and make the cannons black?

can i make textures with GM Viewer? and How? can somebody pliz tell me?

Best regards.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Make back-up copies of all files you intend to change first.
Gm viewer will tell you which textures are used by which gm model files.

Textures in POTC are compressed to *.tga.tx format and need to be converted to *.tga format.
TX Converter does this. There might still be links to this on PA, but Pieters site also has it.

Once you convert the texture file to *.tga, you can edit it in your graphics program.

The texture will then need to be re-compressed by TX Converter back to *.tga.tx format.
 
You can find the TX Converter <a href="http://www.s31clan.com/privateftps/pietersmods/tools.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.

As for those wooden cannons: It's a model problem, not a texture problem. Something's wrong with the texture map and that can only be fixed by modifying the model itself. That is a lot more complicated than just retexturing. If you would want to, you could try and make a retexture of the Endeavour to use as the Dauntless. That would be most appreciated. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" />
 
<!--quoteo(post=225571:date=Dec 12 2007, 10:42 AM:name=Pieter Boelen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pieter Boelen @ Dec 12 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]225571[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can find the TX Converter <a href="http://www.s31clan.com/privateftps/pietersmods/tools.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.

As for those wooden cannons: It's a model problem, not a texture problem. Something's wrong with the texture map and that can only be fixed by modifying the model itself. That is a lot more complicated than just retexturing. If you would want to, you could try and make a retexture of the Endeavour to use as the Dauntless. That would be most appreciated. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

But how do i use it?
 
You point the right part of the screen to your PotC textures directory, then you can use the convert menu to convert selected .tga.tx files to.tga. These you can edit in many graphics programs. Then you can do the same in reverse to convert your modified file back.
 
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